America..why won't you just ban the fucking gun?

[E.H. Ruddock]

How many of those were suicides though?

[Green Habit]

How would you classify something like what Dylann Roof did, which could accurately be described as both gun violence and terrorism?

[tragabigzanda]

FUCK ICE

[McParadigm]

I think what baffles me on the issue is that so many pro-gun arguments (the ones that aren't built on bent statistics or the fantasy that an armed public is still a deterrent to government) are often a hot circular mess. I read one article penned by someone from the NRA that started with the "guns don't kill people, people do" thing, and then spent the rest of the time on the topic of personal freedom (which was less about philosophy and more about pointing out how many Americans favor less gun control).

I would think that "people are the killers," would be a poor support argument for "look at all these people who want to buy guns." To me that reads like "birds killed her," and "hey look at all those birds." But they seem to think it's a good one-two punch.

[E.H. Ruddock]

Of all the people that are pro gun, I wonder how many even own a gun?

[elliseamos]

the fantasy that an armed public is still a deterrent to government)...

when was the last time the federal government wiped out some domestic terrorist "militia."

Waco?

[Strat]

this guy . lol

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/03/us/or ... p=cur&_r=0

[simple schoolboy]

the fantasy that an armed public is still a deterrent to government)...

when was the last time the federal government wiped out some domestic terrorist "militia."

Waco?

If the Court please, I wish to use the words of Justice Brandeis dissenting in Olmstead to speak for me. He wrote, 'Our Government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example.' That's all I have.

[Self]

Love me a good Timothy McVeigh quote.

[hlniv]

this guy . lol

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/03/us/or ... p=cur&_r=0

What a fuck that guy is. Too bad all his fucking good guy guns couldn't stop the one bad guy with his.

Perhaps fewer guns may be a good idea?

Bueller?

[simple schoolboy]

Love me a good Timothy McVeigh quote.

A great troll is never appreciated in his time.

[Rangi Guy]

Damn it America - get your shit together!!!
http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/7 ... -neighbour

America is again reeling from the horror of its gun violence with an 11-year-old boy being charged with murder after allegedly shooting dead an eight-year-old girl in Tennessee, days after the mass shooting in Oregon and a series of drive-by murders of children in Cleveland, Ohio.

[elliseamos]

https://mobile.twitter.com/NRA

I go from: , to , to , to , as I scroll through their posts.

9 hours of posts today, and not one word along the lines of, "in light of today's tragic events, we encourage all responsible gun owners to..." like shit didn't go down because of guns.

[McParadigm]

I never saw a body with bullet holes that was more devastating than taking the right to arm ourselves away

[Stickman]

A New Way to Tackle Gun Deaths
OCT. 3, 2015

tudents of Umpqua Community College attended a vigil after the shooting in Roseburg, Ore., on Thursday. Credit Rich Pedroncelli/Associated Press

by Nicholas Kristof

We’ve mourned too often, seen too many schools and colleges devastated by shootings, watched too many students get an education in grief. It’s time for a new approach to gun violence.

We’re angry, but we also need to be smart. And frankly, liberal efforts, such as the assault weapons ban, were poorly designed and saved few lives, while brazen talk about banning guns just sparked a backlash that empowered the National Rifle Association.

What we need is an evidence-based public health approach — the same model we use to reduce deaths from other potentially dangerous things around us, from swimming pools to cigarettes. We’re not going to eliminate guns in America, so we need to figure out how to coexist with them.

First, we need to comprehend the scale of the problem: It’s not just occasional mass shootings like the one at an Oregon college on Thursday, but a continuous deluge of gun deaths, an average of 92 every day in America. Since 1970, more Americans have died from guns than died in all U.S. wars going back to the American Revolution.

When I reported a similar figure in the past, gun lobbyists insisted that it couldn’t possibly be true. But the numbers are unarguable: fewer than 1.4 million war deaths since 1775, more than half in the Civil War, versus about 1.45 million gun deaths since 1970 (including suicides, murders and accidents).

If that doesn’t make you flinch, consider this: In America, more preschoolers are shot dead each year (82 in 2013) than police officers are in the line of duty (27 in 2013), according to figures from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the FBI.

More than 60 percent of gun deaths are suicides, and most of the rest are homicides. Gun enthusiasts scoff at including suicides, saying that without guns people would kill themselves by other means. In many cases, though, that’s not true.

In Great Britain, people used to kill themselves by putting their heads in the oven and asphyxiating themselves with coal gas. This accounted for almost half of British suicides in the late 1950s, but Britain then began switching from coal gas to natural gas, which is much less lethal. Sticking one’s head in the oven was no longer a reliable way to kill oneself — and there was surprisingly little substitution of other methods. Suicide rates dropped, and they stayed at a lower level.

The British didn’t ban ovens, but they made them safer. We need to do the same with guns.

When I tweeted about the need to address gun violence after college shooting in the Roseburg, Ore., a man named Bob pushed back. “Check out car accident deaths,” he tweeted sarcastically. “Guess we should ban cars.”

Actually, cars exemplify the public health approach we need to apply to guns. We don’t ban cars, but we do require driver’s licenses, seatbelts, airbags, padded dashboards, safety glass and collapsible steering columns. And we’ve reduced the auto fatality rate by 95 percent.

One problem is that the gun lobby has largely blocked research on making guns safer. Between 1973 and 2012, the National Institutes of Health awarded 89 grants for the study of rabies and 212 for cholera — and only three for firearms injuries.

Daniel Webster, a public health expert at Johns Hopkins University, notes that in 1999, the government listed the gun stores that had sold the most weapons later linked to crimes. The gun store at the top of the list was so embarrassed that it voluntarily took measures to reduce its use by criminals — and the rate at which new guns from the store were diverted to crime dropped 77 percent.

But in 2003, Congress barred the government from publishing such information.

Why is Congress enabling pipelines of guns to criminals?

Public health experts cite many ways we could live more safely with guns, and many of them have broad popular support.

A poll this year found that majorities even of gun-owners favor universal background checks; tighter regulation of gun dealers; safe storage requirements in homes; and a 10-year prohibition on possessing guns for anyone convicted of domestic violence, assault or similar offenses.

We should also be investing in “smart gun” technology, such as weapons that fire only with a PIN or fingerprint. We should adopt microstamping that allows a bullet casing to be traced back to a particular gun. We can require liability insurance for guns, as we do for cars.

It’s not clear that these steps would have prevented the Oregon shooting. But Professor Webster argues that smarter gun policies could reduce murder rates by up to 50 percent — and that’s thousands of lives a year. Right now, the passivity of politicians is simply enabling shooters.

The gun lobby argues that the problem isn’t firearms; it’s crazy people. Yes, America’s mental health system is a disgrace. But to me, it seems that we’re all crazy if we as a country can’t take modest steps to reduce the carnage that leaves America resembling a battlefield.

[Dscans]

My favorite part about Kritof's piece was the comparison to auto deaths. Yes, banning cars because they kill would be stupid. That's why we enacted laws that made them safer.

[Strat]

I umm, am i , uh, what the, where i ah. Hmm

[Simple Torture]

Take it to the Facebook thread!

[McParadigm]

I too dream of an America in which these ineffective and unethical meth laws are cast off, like the antiquated shackles they are.

[Strat]

1) wtf?
2) We dont want to make guns illegal
3) wtf?
4) could you imagine if you could pick up meth and HEROIN at your local wal mart?
5) lol
6) are you serious?