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[Norah]

Ground rules are ballpark specific rules, like what happens when the ball hits the rafters at the trop. Automatic doubles aren't ballpark specific.

[Norah]

I get it, it just doesn't really bother me most of the time.

[doug rr]

Does it bother anybody else that announcers call those ground-rule doubles instead of automatic doubles?

What am I missing here?

I wonder as well

Apparently they're technically different things. But being bothered by it is silly.


from baseball reference


"Ground rule double" is also colloquially used for doubles awarded because "a fair ball, touching the ground, bounds into the stands". This colloquial usage is technically incorrect as the ruling is applied equally in all ballparks and has nothing to do with "ground rules". Some commentators will use terms such as "bounce doubles", "rulebook doubles", or as Jon Miller prefers, "automatic doubles" in lieu of the misappropriation of "ground rule double". Until 1931, balls bouncing over the fence were counted as home runs, and this difference in playing rules is respected when tabulating historical statistics.

meh...ground rule in my book

[Norah]

If I was a broadcaster or a sports writer I'd use automatic double. The pedantry would be more important to me if I was describing the play professionally.

[Norah]

I also wouldn't pluralize RBI.

[@SkitchP]

If I was a broadcaster or a sports writer I'd use automatic double. The pedantry would be more important to me if I was describing the play professionally.

based on that passage from BR though, "Automatic Double" isnt really a thing either. Its just what Jon Miller started calling it.

[Norah]

If I was a broadcaster or a sports writer I'd use automatic double. The pedantry would be more important to me if I was describing the play professionally.

based on that passage from BR though, "Automatic Double" isnt really a thing either. Its just what Jon Miller started calling it.

Sure, but it's an accurate description.

[@SkitchP]

If I was a broadcaster or a sports writer I'd use automatic double. The pedantry would be more important to me if I was describing the play professionally.

based on that passage from BR though, "Automatic Double" isnt really a thing either. Its just what Jon Miller started calling it.

Sure, but it's an accurate description.

[Norah]

If I was a broadcaster or a sports writer I'd use automatic double. The pedantry would be more important to me if I was describing the play professionally.

based on that passage from BR though, "Automatic Double" isnt really a thing either. Its just what Jon Miller started calling it.

Sure, but it's an accurate description.

It is!

[doug rr]

I wouldn't call then foul poles, I'd call them chazzwazzas

[@SkitchP]

If I was a broadcaster or a sports writer I'd use automatic double. The pedantry would be more important to me if I was describing the play professionally.

based on that passage from BR though, "Automatic Double" isnt really a thing either. Its just what Jon Miller started calling it.

Sure, but it's an accurate description.

It is!

If you're concerned about accurately portraying it, why not just call it what literally 99% of baseball fans call it?

[numbers]

I remember Jacoby Ellsbury being awarded third base on a ball that bounced into the stands a couple years ago. Doesn't that dispel the automatic double?

[Norah]

I remember Jacoby Ellsbury being awarded third base on a ball that bounced into the stands a couple years ago. Doesn't that dispel the automatic double?

That's an automatic triple.

[@SkitchP]

I remember Jacoby Ellsbury being awarded third base on a ball that bounced into the stands a couple years ago. Doesn't that dispel the automatic double?

No, once the umpire gets involved it then becomes a ground rule.

[@SkitchP]

I remember Jacoby Ellsbury being awarded third base on a ball that bounced into the stands a couple years ago. Doesn't that dispel the automatic double?

That's an automatic triple.

IF he was awarded it, it wasn't automatic.

[Norah]

I remember Jacoby Ellsbury being awarded third base on a ball that bounced into the stands a couple years ago. Doesn't that dispel the automatic double?

That's an automatic triple.

IF he was awarded it, it wasn't automatic.

Fine, but it's still definitely not a ground rule you prick.

[doug rr]

go dodgers

[Norah]

fuck the dodgers, they're my least favorite of the remaining teams

[numbers]

I remember Jacoby Ellsbury being awarded third base on a ball that bounced into the stands a couple years ago. Doesn't that dispel the automatic double?

No, once the umpire gets involved it then becomes a ground rule.

But doesn't the umpire get involved every time?

[Electromatic]

Does it bother anybody else that announcers call those ground-rule doubles instead of automatic doubles?

What am I missing here?

I wonder as well

Apparently they're technically different things. But being bothered by it is silly.


from baseball reference


"Ground rule double" is also colloquially used for doubles awarded because "a fair ball, touching the ground, bounds into the stands". This colloquial usage is technically incorrect as the ruling is applied equally in all ballparks and has nothing to do with "ground rules". Some commentators will use terms such as "bounce doubles", "rulebook doubles", or as Jon Miller prefers, "automatic doubles" in lieu of the misappropriation of "ground rule double". Until 1931, balls bouncing over the fence were counted as home runs, and this difference in playing rules is respected when tabulating historical statistics.

Not sure how it's technically incorrect. The ball hitting the ground and bouncing over the fence is a double. It has been called ground rule double since the 30's colloquially. There's no such thing as a "ground rule" but there is a rule that states for a fair ball that bounces over the fence (hitting the ground) the batter shall be awarded 2nd base. It's just semantics.

Rulebook double, double, automatic double, bounce double, ground rule double are all correct.

Now when people say "back" catcher, that grinds my gears.