Vault #5: Las Vegas 11/30/1993

[@SkitchP]

It's hardly a plan, just a little mischievious curiosity. 10C doesn't exactly have a sterling reputation for being on top of their shit, so the idea that they might fail to send someone a confirmation email for an order not scheduled to arrive for eight months doesn't seem entirely implausible. I have too active a conscience to ever attempt this (I honestly am not all that excited about the release), but it would certainly be an amusing stunt to pull off.

I bet skitch would try it for us.

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[Ledbetterman10]

Is this exactly the same as the basecamp version that leaked years ago?

This was officially released years ago - MP3 only. We'll see if this is any better

Oh yeah that's right. It was Washington '95 that leaked.

[CopperTom]

Is this exactly the same as the basecamp version that leaked years ago?

This was officially released years ago - MP3 only. We'll see if this is any better

Oh yeah that's right. It was Washington '95 that leaked.

And Missoula.

[Birds in Hell]

This sounds as though it's the same mix as the earlier MP3 release but the mastering is noticeably louder.

A chunk of Ed's banter between Jeremy and Dissident has also been removed (at his request, I can only presume).

[ridleybradout]

A chunk of Ed's banter between Jeremy and Dissident has also been removed (at his request, I can only presume).

Or to fit it on double vinyl instead of triple?

I just realised this cost as much as the previous triple vinyl Bellingham show did

[Birds in Hell]

A chunk of Ed's banter between Jeremy and Dissident has also been removed (at his request, I can only presume).

Or to fit it on double vinyl instead of triple?

Oh, perhaps - I've only heard the digital files, I wasn't sure where the track splits are on the LPs.

[McParadigm]

This sounds as though it's the same mix as the earlier MP3 release but the mastering is noticeably louder.

uh oh

[Birds in Hell]

This sounds as though it's the same mix as the earlier MP3 release but the mastering is noticeably louder.

uh oh

It doesn't sound bad, I should add.

It's in line with the sound of the other Vault releases.

[McParadigm]

That doesn't mean a thing to me. I don't buy any of this stuff. But I kind of figure that the legacy stuff from their better days is material I will probably get into at some unknown rediscovery date.

Has anybody looked at the dynamics yet?

[Birds in Hell]

Someone on the official board (I believe it's a different "darthvedder" than our "darth_vedder") posted this comparison between the original MP3s and the new release:

Wow, I just dug up my old mp3 copy from Basecamp and it sounds so much more dynamic than the FLAC copy I just bought. That truly makes me sad. Once again, I hope the vinyl sounds better.

There's also some dialog cut after Jeremy. The shoe speech "I love me, I love me, I love me...apparently they do love themselves more than Mudhoney" has been cut for the vault release.

Here's the DR numbers:

First, the FLAC:
foobar2000 1.3.9 / Dynamic Range Meter 1.1.1
log date: 2015-11-26 21:37:50

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Analyzed: Pearl Jam / 1993/11/30 Las Vegas, NV
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DR Peak RMS Duration Track
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DR7 0.00 dB -7.77 dB 5:05 01-Even Flow
DR7 0.00 dB -7.60 dB 3:19 02-Once
DR7 0.00 dB -7.53 dB 4:25 03-Deep
DR6 0.00 dB -7.49 dB 5:45 04-Jeremy
DR6 0.00 dB -7.67 dB 3:39 05-Dissident
DR7 0.00 dB -9.15 dB 5:21 06-Daughter
DR6 0.00 dB -7.86 dB 3:03 07-Go
DR7 0.00 dB -7.97 dB 2:59 08-Animal
DR7 0.00 dB -7.31 dB 3:30 09-State Of Love And Trust
DR7 0.00 dB -8.17 dB 3:56 10-Tremor Christ
DR6 0.00 dB -8.61 dB 5:54 01-Black
DR6 0.00 dB -7.62 dB 2:30 02-Blood
DR6 -0.01 dB -7.62 dB 4:56 03-Alive
DR10 -6.67 dB -21.07 dB 0:24 04-Encore Break 1
DR6 0.00 dB -7.58 dB 5:06 05-Rearviewmirror
DR6 0.00 dB -7.36 dB 2:55 06-Whipping
DR6 0.00 dB -7.61 dB 3:13 07-Leash
DR6 0.00 dB -7.32 dB 6:04 08-Porch
DR10 -0.10 dB -15.39 dB 1:00 09-Encore Break 2
DR6 -0.02 dB -7.84 dB 3:50 10-Swallow My Pride
DR6 0.00 dB -8.02 dB 3:52 11-Ain't Nothing To Do
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Number of tracks: 21
Official DR value: DR7

Samplerate: 44100 Hz
Channels: 2
Bits per sample: 16
Bitrate: 927 kbps
Codec: FLAC
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MP3:
foobar2000 1.3.9 / Dynamic Range Meter 1.1.1
log date: 2015-11-26 21:35:41

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Analyzed: Pearl Jam / Aladdin Theater, Las Vegas, 1993
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DR Peak RMS Duration Track
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DR11 -0.62 dB -12.90 dB 5:03 01-Evenflow
DR10 -0.76 dB -12.62 dB 3:17 02-Once
DR11 -0.56 dB -12.67 dB 4:24 03-Deep
DR10 -0.20 dB -13.06 dB 6:27 04-Jeremy
DR10 -1.17 dB -12.69 dB 3:36 05-Dissident
DR11 -0.75 dB -14.35 dB 5:26 06-Daughter
DR10 -1.35 dB -12.89 dB 3:01 07-Go
DR10 -0.92 dB -12.91 dB 2:50 08-Animal
DR10 -0.66 dB -12.57 dB 3:39 09-State Of Love And Trust
DR11 -0.12 dB -13.21 dB 3:56 10-Tremor Christ
DR10 -0.50 dB -13.63 dB 5:37 11-Black
DR11 -0.66 dB -12.89 dB 2:39 12-Blood
DR10 -0.80 dB -13.02 dB 5:16 13-Alive
DR10 -0.54 dB -12.66 dB 5:03 14-Rearview Mirror
DR10 0.00 dB -12.21 dB 2:40 15-Whippin
DR10 -1.01 dB -12.58 dB 3:10 16-Leash
DR10 -1.15 dB -12.89 dB 6:55 17-Porch
DR10 -0.70 dB -13.32 dB 3:55 18-Swallow My Pride
DR10 0.00 dB -13.11 dB 4:12 19-Ain't Nothin' To Do
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Number of tracks: 19
Official DR value: DR10

Samplerate: 44100 Hz
Channels: 2
Bitrate: 256 kbps
Codec: MP3
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[Kevin Davis]

I have really liked the sound of the previous Vault releases -- honestly I feel like ever since the band got skewered for the sound on their 2008-10 boots, the sound on their live releases has been pretty consistently great, Vault releases included. The fact that the baseline levels of the sound files is louder isn't a big deal in itself, is it? So long as they didn't have to flatten the dynamics to make it happen....

[Birds in Hell]

The above is a measurement of the dynamics, they've certainly been flattened to some extent on this release.

[Kevin Davis]

But -- they ultimately still sound ok?

[gatherspeed]

A chunk of Ed's banter between Jeremy and Dissident has also been removed (at his request, I can only presume).

Or to fit it on double vinyl instead of triple?

I just realised this cost as much as the previous triple vinyl Bellingham show did

I'm thinking they cut out the chat because there is some digi-noise / tape crackle & pops during Ed's speech (on the MP3 versions). I'm sure everyone would email them and complain about a bad vinyl pressing so they just left it out.

[given2fly23]

If anybody creates an edit to insert the EV banter into the FLAC, please do let me know. I hate that every Vault show is edited in some way and only listen to the complete versions. The edits have been great and I did the Bellingham one myself and shared it here, but I'm not great at it.

[LetMeSleep]

They're saving it for the Xmas single with Redemption Song feat Beyoncé and Nelson.

[Birds in Hell]

But -- they ultimately still sound ok?

I haven't sat and listened to it in full yet but I think it should be fine.

It's not a dramatic example of "brickwall" mastering or anything like that, just a bit more pushed than the earlier files.

If anybody creates an edit to insert the EV banter into the FLAC, please do let me know. I hate that every Vault show is edited in some way and only listen to the complete versions. The edits have been great and I did the Bellingham one myself and shared it here, but I'm not great at it.

Thanks again for the Bellingham fixes!

I may get around to this at some point if nobody else does. There's also My Way which was performed by Ed and the Elvis impersonator and released on one of the Christmas singles, I think it should be the third and final encore. It wasn't on the earlier digital release either.

[Simple Torture]

My vinyl copy shipped 2-3 days ago and I still don't have tracking; file this under "big fucking surprise."

[Birds in Hell]

But -- they ultimately still sound ok?

I haven't sat and listened to it in full yet but I think it should be fine.

It's not a dramatic example of "brickwall" mastering or anything like that, just a bit more pushed than the earlier files.

Having listened further, the earlier release is more to my tastes sound-wise and I'll be sticking with that in future for most listening purposes despite the lower quality.

YMMV, etc.

[Simple Torture]

Never received tracking, but mine arrived today!