Star Wars: Episode VII: The Force Awakens (2015)

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Speculation on Snoke being Darth Plagueis

[VinylGuy]

Speculation on Snoke being Darth Plagueis

Nice. I havent payed attention to Plagueis at all.

[dimejinky99]

Few things
In the interrogation Kylo sees into her mind and sees the ocean and an island.
She has been there before or is so strong in the force (albeit unknowingly) that she's seeing her own future in a foretelling as Jedi can do.

His interrogation of her seems to be the thing that either awakens the force in her
Or more interestingly breaks whatever seal has been put on her and her memory presumably by Luke?

In the final scene it's clear she knows him as she starts to cry when he removes his hood. And he clearly knows her too.
Also, fairly certain he's standing by a grave in that scene, there's a little headstone popping up to his left.
Her mothers grave?


Her being han and leias isnt possible. Why would they be all sad about Their son lost to the dark side and not one mention or even hint at their 'lost' daughter.

It *is* possible that they both know Rey though, and know that she was hidden in jakku but Can't reveal her lineage as it isn't their place, but they want to protect her anyways so Han offers her a job -

An this is the key to her being Lukes daughter-Leia decides to send her to find Luke. Why doesn't leia go? Why else send a girl who's she's never met?

Could only be cos she's Lukes daughter.

[VinylGuy]

Few things
In the interrogation Kylo sees into her mind and sees the ocean and an island.
She has been there before or is so strong in the force (albeit unknowingly) that she's seeing her own future in a foretelling as Jedi can do.

His interrogation of her seems to be the thing that either awakens the force in her
Or more interestingly breaks whatever seal has been put on her and her memory presumably by Luke?

In the final scene it's clear she knows him as she starts to cry when he removes his hood. And he clearly knows her too.
Also, fairly certain he's standing by a grave in that scene, there's a little headstone popping up to his left.
Her mothers grave?


Her being han and leias isnt possible. Why would they be all sad about Their son lost to the dark side and not one mention or even hint at their 'lost' daughter.

It *is* possible that they both know Rey though, and know that she was hidden in jakku but Can't reveal her lineage as it isn't their place, but they want to protect her anyways so Han offers her a job -

An this is the key to her being Lukes daughter-Leia decides to send her to find Luke. Why doesn't leia go? Why else send a girl who's she's never met?

Could only be cos she's Lukes daughter.

I saw the grave too...and yes, she had her memory erased or something for sure.

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Few things
In the interrogation Kylo sees into her mind and sees the ocean and an island.
She has been there before or is so strong in the force (albeit unknowingly) that she's seeing her own future in a foretelling as Jedi can do.

His interrogation of her seems to be the thing that either awakens the force in her
Or more interestingly breaks whatever seal has been put on her and her memory presumably by Luke?

In the final scene it's clear she knows him as she starts to cry when he removes his hood. And he clearly knows her too.
Also, fairly certain he's standing by a grave in that scene, there's a little headstone popping up to his left.
Her mothers grave?


Her being han and leias isnt possible. Why would they be all sad about Their son lost to the dark side and not one mention or even hint at their 'lost' daughter.

It *is* possible that they both know Rey though, and know that she was hidden in jakku but Can't reveal her lineage as it isn't their place, but they want to protect her anyways so Han offers her a job -

An this is the key to her being Lukes daughter-Leia decides to send her to find Luke. Why doesn't leia go? Why else send a girl who's she's never met?

Could only be cos she's Lukes daughter.

I saw the grave too...and yes, she had her memory erased or something for sure.

perhaps luke grew strong enough in the force that he was able to create rey by manipulating midichlorians, much like darth plagueis did to create anakin?

[dimejinky99]

We don't know that Kylo didn't kill Lukes wife/Reys mom.

*this would give the Rey / Kylo dynamic some serious oomph.


Also Luke being the last Jedi he'd have to search the entire galaxy to find students.
Or he could just make his own and have a kid.

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We don't know that Kylo didn't kill Lukes wife/Reys mom.

right, but luke's never had a romantic arc before, and jedi aren't supposed to marry or pursue romantic relationships. this would be a way around that, luke created a "daughter." perhaps why she could see the island, because she'd been there before. also why luke was clearly moved to see her when she showed up with the lightsaber.

[VinylGuy]

We don't know that Kylo didn't kill Lukes wife/Reys mom.

*this would give the Rey / Kylo dynamic some serious oomph.


Also Luke being the last Jedi he'd have to search the entire galaxy to find students.
Or he could just make his own and have a kid.

Awesome theory.

[bada]

HATE:
Finn. I felt really disconnected from him in a Star Wars universe

racist

[dimejinky99]

We don't know that Kylo didn't kill Lukes wife/Reys mom.

*this would give the Rey / Kylo dynamic some serious oomph.


Also Luke being the last Jedi he'd have to search the entire galaxy to find students.
Or he could just make his own and have a kid.

Awesome theory.

Perhaps Reys flashback is actually stuff that happened to her mother??

It'd make sense especially when we see the soldier about to hit her and kylos lightsaber skewering the guy?

[E.H. Ruddock]

Also Luke being the last Jedi he'd have to search the entire galaxy to find students.

Which apparently he did because in the movie they reference him training young jedi students until Ren screwed it up.

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or snoke/plagueis created rey as his anakin 2.0, but luke was able to steal her away from him before her dark side training began and maim snoke/plagueis in the process. luke then raised rey as his own, training her in the ways of the force at his academy, until snoke/plagueis got wind of where she was and seduced ben solo in an attempt to infiltrate the academy. solo, now kylo ren, kills all the pupils, but luke is able to rescue rey and escape, taking her to the remote jakku to be hidden away from snoke/plagueis until she's mature enough to assist him in fighting snoke/plagueis and kylo ren. the force awakens.

[E.H. Ruddock]

HATE:
Finn. I felt really disconnected from him in a Star Wars universe

racist

Not at all. I'm a Lando Calrissian apologist.

[dimejinky99]

Snoke was obviously friends or at least known to Han and leia at some point so also Luke?

Interesting ideas Spike.

[bada]

HATE:
Finn. I felt really disconnected from him in a Star Wars universe

racist

Not at all. I'm a Lando Calrissian apologist.

Cause he's one of the good ones?

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Fuck yea Star Wars!

[Strat]

Yay kaius!

[VinylGuy]

Remember when they said Max Von Sydow was actually Bobba Fett?

[Simple Torture]

I'm lukewarm on the Plagueis theory because it relies so heavily on material from the prequels and material from other sources that most viewers won't be familiar with (comics, EU books, etc.). That reveal would mean nothing to a general audience.

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I'm lukewarm on the Plagueis theory because it relies so heavily on material from the prequels and material from other sources that most viewers won't be familiar with (comics, EU books, etc.). That reveal would mean nothing to a general audience.

it's not meant to be a reveal as much as a way to tie all the movies together. i think the possibility of palpatine's former master being the new bad guy is more interesting than it being just another random asshole who wants to rule the galaxy.