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numbers · Post by **numbers** » Tue December 22, 2015 4:38 pm

For example, I don't think Fisk or Pesky's numbers should be retired. Rice fits all their hard ass criteria so he's ok.

Norah · Post by **Norah** » Tue December 22, 2015 5:14 pm

Clemens number belongs up there too.

Simple Torture · Post by **Simple Torture** » Tue December 22, 2015 5:20 pm

I think we can comfortably say that the next number to go up there will be 34. After that? I can't think of who will be next. I assume it won't be Clemens or Manny, considering their reputations, and after Boggs I think the '80s and '90s are done. Does anyone else deserve a second look?

Norah · Post by **Norah** » Tue December 22, 2015 5:24 pm

You're probably right.

Simple Torture · Post by **Simple Torture** » Tue December 22, 2015 5:25 pm

Simple Torture · Post by **Simple Torture** » Tue December 22, 2015 5:27 pm

I hope I didn't jinx it.

numbers · Post by **numbers** » Tue December 22, 2015 5:39 pm

Clemens and Ortiz are the two currently not up there that I would retire.

Norah · Post by **Norah** » Tue December 22, 2015 5:59 pm

numbers wrote:Clemens and Ortiz are the two currently not up there that I would retire.

I put Clemens and Boggs on the same level in terms of both talent and stature. So it's weird to see you on board for one but not the other.

numbers · Post by **numbers** » Tue December 22, 2015 8:40 pm

There's just something about Boggs that was, for lack of a better word, meh.

EJ · Post by EJ » Tue December 22, 2015 8:43 pm

Simple Torture wrote:Does anyone else deserve a second look?

Mo Vaughn shoulda been that guy.

Norah · Post by **Norah** » Tue December 22, 2015 8:48 pm

You mean the guy who has the best BA in Fenway history? Yeah, totally meh.

numbers · Post by **numbers** » Tue December 22, 2015 8:48 pm

Can there be one thing left that doesn't get swallowed up by analytics?

numbers · Post by **numbers** » Tue December 22, 2015 8:49 pm

Nobody likes Boggs, no one cared when he left, and no one has been like "gee where's Wade Boggs?" since he retired.

Norah · Post by **Norah** » Tue December 22, 2015 8:50 pm

numbers wrote:Can there be one thing left that doesn't get swallowed up by analytics?

Yeah, those pesky analytics like how often a guy hits the baseball

numbers · Post by **numbers** » Tue December 22, 2015 8:52 pm

This isnt the HOF, its not an award, and it shouldnt be something solely decided by Wins Above Replacement or OPS. It's totally subjective, I didnt like Boggs and I wasnt alone. If he was such a slam dunk it would have happened 10 years ago.

E.H. Ruddock · Post by **E.H. Ruddock** » Tue December 22, 2015 8:57 pm

I dig numbers' passion about this. As a general baseball fan I always thought Boggs was borderline all-time great. But as numbers is a Red Sox fan I get his doubts.

Norah · Post by **Norah** » Tue December 22, 2015 8:59 pm

Wade Boggs is one of the best third basemen to ever play baseball, and has hit the ball more in Fenway Park than anyone ever has, including Ted Williams.

numbers · Post by **numbers** » Tue December 22, 2015 9:00 pm

And yet, his career is largely forgotten.

numbers · Post by **numbers** » Tue December 22, 2015 9:01 pm

I'm not even saying he wasn't a great player, but the Red Sox should only retire the numbers of players who were iconic figures, which Boggs never was.

Norah · Post by **Norah** » Tue December 22, 2015 9:01 pm

Well maybe this will get people to wise up.

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