TV: Making a Murderer (Netflix)

[Dev]

I have a few episodes left and suspect Steven Avery is guilty.

[Strat]

I have a few episodes left and suspect Steven Avery is guilty.

Of course.

Look, i dont know. There is some shady shit on both sides. Steven Avery is a shady creep too. of course that doesnt mean he killed anyone but it doesnt help.

In the end there is just no way he should have been convicted, unless the documentary left out a substantial amount of evidence put forth by the prosecutors, which some allege they have.

[numbers]

I had the same feeling when he was worried about missing Wrestlemania.

that's called empathy

this was a good post

[numbers]

I read an article about the evidence they "left out." Some of it definitely isn't good for Avery's case, but none of it is definitive. Regardless of whether or not he was guilty, that trial should have been mistrialed about 45 times.

[epilogue]

That was a tough watch.

[tragabigzanda]

Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.

[epilogue]

It's a brilliant piece, any possible bias aside.

Keep in mind, trag, that Steve himself loves his quality of life. He thinks he's basically got it all worked out and life is great. He doesn't seem to want for much, outside of justice and his freedom, of course. Really interesting to see that perspective.

[tragabigzanda]

Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.

[epilogue]

It's a brilliant piece, any possible bias aside.

Keep in mind, trag, that Steve himself loves his quality of life. He thinks he's basically got it all worked out and life is great. He doesn't seem to want for much, outside of justice and his freedom, of course. Really interesting to see that perspective.

Yea, I see that. But it kind of feels like he's still stuck in Plato's cave.

Sure.

This is something Bourdain talks about a lot on his show and in his travels. It's interesting how much projecting we (white, male, middle-class, Americans) do on others about what life should be like and what people should want to in order to be happy or even content.

[E.H. Ruddock]

I'm still a little wrecked about when the kid said to his mom "I can't help it, mom, I'm stupid". Ugh.

[tragabigzanda]

Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.

[E.H. Ruddock]

Another thing I learned in this series is that the word "yeah" has many more uses in Wisconsin than the rest of the country.

[Simple Torture]

The accents on this show were amazing.

[Strat]

Another thing I learned in this series is that the word "yeah" has many more uses in Wisconsin than the rest of the country.

Yea?
Yea.
Yea!
Yea
i dont know mom im dumb
yeah
yeah
yea
ya

[epilogue]

Been trying to do some research into the stuff that wasn't included in the documentary and I thought these two snippets were pretty revealing:

"I guess I would ask Kratz what he would trade it for. We tried to choose what we thought was Kratz's strongest evidence pointing toward Steven's guilt, the things he talked about at his press conferences, the things that were really damning toward Steven. That's what we put in. The things I've heard listed as things we've left out seem much less convincing of guilt than Teresa's DNA on a bullet or her remains in his backyard." ... "It was a nearly six-week-long trial, and it would just be impossible for us to include all of the less significant evidence," Ricciardi told The Wrap when asked why some evidence against Avery was excluded from the series.

Which I agree with based on what I've read so far. The things they DID include are much more damaging (potentially) to Avery than the stuff that's been left out. The one exception is perhaps the "fact" that Avery's DNA was found on the hood of the car. But was it?

FASSBENDER: OK, what else did he do, he did somethin' else, you need to tell us what he did, after the car is parked there. It's extremely important. (pause) Before you guys leave that car.
BRENDAN: That he left the gun in the car.
FASSBENDER: That's not what I'm thinkin' about. He did something to that car. He took the plates and he, I believe he did something else in that car. (pause).
BRENDAN: I don't know.
FASSBENDER:OK. Did he, did he, did he go and look at the engine, did he raise the hood at all or anything like that? To do something to that car?
BRENDAN: Yeah.
FASSBENDER: What was that? (pause)
WEIGERT: What did he do, Brendan?
WEIGERT: It's OK, what did he do?
FASSBENDER: What did he do under the hood, if what's what he did? (pause)
BRENDAN: I don't know what he did, but I know he went under.
FASSBENDER: He did raise the hood? (Brendan nods "yes") You remember that?
BRENDAN: Yeah.

Sure looks like that info was just another example of the cops leading Dassey, which puts that info squarely into question as reliable and factual. Seems like that could have also been planted. Let's keep in mined that Avery's DNA (which can be planted) was found in the form of blood and "sweat" but his fingerprints are nowhere to be found.

[E.H. Ruddock]

Jeez, they led him so obviously in everything. Seems pretty outrageous given the kids' IQ.

[epilogue]

It's disgusting. And I wish there was a way to flat out prosecute them for what they did to that kid. It's cruel and unusual. Makes me sick.

[Rangi Guy]

Just watched the first episode of this last night. Not sure how they can keep this up for another nine episodes, but I'll keep at it

[Strat]

Just watched the first episode of this last night. Not sure how they can keep this up for another nine episodes, but I'll keep at it

You have no idea. Its amazing really.

[epilogue]

This thing also got me watching The Staircase. Which I'd never seen before but had heard about for a long time. Some surprising similarities between the two projects.