Crucify the Insincere: A Smashing Pumpkins Thread

[matt reeder]

I like this very much.

I don't suppose you've heard this version? It leaked last year along with a bunch of other stuff and Billy went apoplectic about the leaks. So, so, so good....

[VinylGuy]

I like the zeitgeist era. I consider it maybe, the last good era of Billy...Even if he always has good stuff around, specially live.

But yeah, he fucked up big time, with his pretension....that album could have been so good.

[zeb]

Why does the aeroplane turn left and then look right?

[zeb]

Guys, this wasn't a rhetorical question. I really do want to know.

[DeLima]

Hey zeb

[zeb]

You heard anything about this aeroplane business, DL?

[contamination]

I feel bad about how D'arcy ended up being.

Machina is the last album I consider a Smashing Pumpkins album. I was listening to that album the other day just to realize once again how I've kind of grown out of that type of music. It fit perfectly to my mindset when I was 15-25 years old, and mr. Corgan really is a master both melodically and lyrically in capturing what life feels like when you're that age, but now that I'm in my 30's it has a nostalgic value to me, and that's about it. I mean I still like songs like "Stand Inside Your Love" but now when I'm listening to it, it just brings back the images and feelings I had about life ten years ago, and now I kind of understand the falsehood of those images, how art can imitate life, but how real life is never going to be like that art, how it's sort of polished version of life, a well crafted 3 minute pop song, a fantasy which never even existed elsewhere than in the artists mind. Or at least that's how I feel about it now.

[bada]

Why does the aeroplane turn left and then look right?

C'Mon mate if you driving along in the bush and a drop bear comes at you you turn left to avoid it but you look to the right to make sure that bugga isn't chasing you. Then you check your bum for warts and throw another shrimp on the barbie. In case you are wondering how that applies to aeroplanes.

Spoiler: show

They fly!

[matt reeder]

I feel bad about how D'arcy ended up being.

Machina is the last album I consider a Smashing Pumpkins album. I was listening to that album the other day just to realize once again how I've kind of grown out of that type of music. It fit perfectly to my mindset when I was 15-25 years old, and mr. Corgan really is a master both melodically and lyrically in capturing what life feels like when you're that age, but now that I'm in my 30's it has a nostalgic value to me, and that's about it. I mean I still like songs like "Stand Inside Your Love" but now when I'm listening to it, it just brings back the images and feelings I had about life ten years ago, and now I kind of understand the falsehood of those images, how art can imitate life, but how real life is never going to be like that art, how it's sort of polished version of life, a well crafted 3 minute pop song, a fantasy which never even existed elsewhere than in the artists mind. Or at least that's how I feel about it now.

I totally understand this feeling, since the Pumpkins were a huge part of my life from ages 19 - 27. I mean, while I was living in France I skipped work to go see the reformed band in Paris because I didn't see the original band, and I worried that era might be a one-off. It was worth it, but while I was there I had the feeling this might be it for the band. In the sense of their cultural relevance, it was - they'll never play a show in a venue that large ever again. When it comes to nostalgia, hearing Siamese Dream takes me back to college, listening to it on repeat and learning to play all the songs on guitar, and playing it at parties.

But sometimes I want to feel that way, and sometimes I fall into my typical 3-5 week binge where all I listen to is Smashing Pumpkins (I do this for every band I love), and it is glorious.

[VinylGuy]

True words.

And i feel bad about Darcy..actually i cant believe what happened to her after she left.

[Wendy Carlos's Twin]

True words.

And i feel bad about Darcy..actually i cant believe what happened to her after she left.

Doesn't surprise me at all. I was told by someone who knew her that she is super, super self-conscious and would stare at herself in the mirror for hours on end. Her endless plastic surgery escapades are in "Michael Jackson" territory. She's definitely not "all there". I wouldn't be surprised if she uses meth just to keep herself skinny.

[BigRedLedbetter]

True words.

And i feel bad about Darcy..actually i cant believe what happened to her after she left.

It's really quite sad.

[matt reeder]

True words.

And i feel bad about Darcy..actually i cant believe what happened to her after she left.

Doesn't surprise me at all. I was told by someone who knew her that she is super, super self-conscious and would stare at herself in the mirror for hours on end. Her endless plastic surgery escapades are in "Michael Jackson" territory. She's definitely not "all there". I wouldn't be surprised if she uses meth just to keep herself skinny.

Man, what a fucked-up group of people.

[DeLima]

You heard anything about this aeroplane business, DL?

I'm looking into it

[AndySlash]

a recording surfaced of the minneapolis 'in plainsong' show from june.

https://archive.org/details/tsp2015-06- ... k41.flac24

The Smashing Pumpkins
June 25, 2015
Pantages Theatre
Minneapolis, MN

Taper: empty
Source1: Schoeps MK41 (actives) > Tinybox v2.5 > Sony M10 @ 24/48
Location: Row J seat 3
Transfer: SanDisk 16GB Ultra UHS-I SDHC (Class 10) > USB > HDD > CDwav > .flac
Editing: EQ in Adobe Audition by PJP/snail
Notes: Final show of the "In Plainsong" tour

********************************************************

Setlist:

01. Tonight, Tonight
02. 99 Floors
03. Today
04. My Poor Troubled Heart
05. Dorian
06. For Your Love
07. Drum + Fife
08. A Stitch in Time
09. Mayonaise
10. Prairie Song > Speak To Me / Breath [Pink Floyd] (tease)
11. Jersey Shore
12. Sparrow
13. Perfect
14. To Sheila
15. Behold! the Night Mare
16. For Martha
17. Blissed and Gone
18. Ava Adore
19. Now (And Then)
20. The Crying Tree of Mercury
21. 1979
22. Run2Me
23. Pinwheels
24. Stand Inside Your Love
25. Landslide
--- encore ---
26. Something [The Beatles]*
27. Spaceboy
28. Disarm
--- encore ---
29. Cardinal Rule

Total Running Time: 155:46

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Billy Corgan - Guitar/Piano/Vocals
Jeff Schroeder - Guitar
Katie Cole - Bass/Vocals
* with The Eeries

Decided to leave the AKG 414s at home. Thanks to perks for the MK41/TB gear loan. I've never been that skilled at working on shows with extremely dynamic fluctuations in the level of the music/applause. Thanks to PJP for the post help. I greatly appreciate both of you guys!


Collection SmashingPumpkins
Band/Artist Smashing Pumpkins
Venue Pantages Theatre
Location Minneapolis, MN

Taped by empty
Transferred by empty

[Biff Pocoroba]

An Atlanta date was recently added to their spring tour.
I'm trying to decide if I want to go. On one hand I liked them 20 years ago but kind of dropped them after Melon Collie. I saw them twice during their heyday but no other big name act left me feeling as meh/disappointed after a show.

[AndySlash]

An Atlanta date was recently added to their spring tour.
I'm trying to decide if I want to go. On one hand I liked them 20 years ago but kind of dropped them after Melon Collie. I saw them twice during their heyday but no other big name act left me feeling as meh/disappointed after a show.

that's an 'in plainsong: acoustic electro' show, so know this: if you just want to hear the hits from their heyday, don't go. but if you're ok with hearing unfamiliar material in a smaller setting with a mix of solo acoustic and stripped down band stuff, then go. this years shows apparently will feature a siamese dream 'suite' (last year it was adore), along with other catalog stuff including zwan and other solo material, and a handful of hits thrown in. plus, jimmy chamberlain is along for the tour this time.

[matt reeder]

An Atlanta date was recently added to their spring tour.
I'm trying to decide if I want to go. On one hand I liked them 20 years ago but kind of dropped them after Melon Collie. I saw them twice during their heyday but no other big name act left me feeling as meh/disappointed after a show.

that's an 'in plainsong: acoustic electro' show, so know this: if you just want to hear the hits from their heyday, don't go. but if you're ok with hearing unfamiliar material in a smaller setting with a mix of solo acoustic and stripped down band stuff, then go. this years shows apparently will feature a siamese dream 'suite' (last year it was adore), along with other catalog stuff including zwan and other solo material, and a handful of hits thrown in. plus, jimmy chamberlain is along for the tour this time.

I might just retire from concerts permanently if they bust out "Geek U.S.A." or "Silverfuck", because I'm not sure anything is going to top that for me at this point.

[AndySlash]

In Plainsong 2016 tour started a couple nights ago. Jimmy is along, with Jeff Schroeder, Katie Cole, and Sierra Swan. Liz Phair is opening.

Cardinal Rule
Stumbleine
Tonight, Tonight
The World's Fair
Space Oddity [David Bowie]
Thirty-Three
Jesus, I / Mary Star of the Sea
Mayonaise
Soma
Rocket
Spaceboy
Today
Whir
Disarm
Sorrows (In Blue)
Eye
Saturnine
Identify [Natalie Imbruglia]
1979
Stand Inside Your Love
Pinwheels
Lily (My One and Only)
Malibu [Hole]
Spaniards

Angie [Rolling Stones]
Amarinthine

[matt reeder]

In Plainsong 2016 tour started a couple nights ago. Jimmy is along, with Jeff Schroeder, Katie Cole, and Sierra Swan. Liz Phair is opening.

Cardinal Rule
Stumbleine
Tonight, Tonight
The World's Fair
Space Oddity [David Bowie]
Thirty-Three
Jesus, I / Mary Star of the Sea
Mayonaise
Soma
Rocket
Spaceboy
Today
Whir
Disarm
Sorrows (In Blue)
Eye
Saturnine
Identify [Natalie Imbruglia]
1979
Stand Inside Your Love
Pinwheels
Lily (My One and Only)
Malibu [Hole]
Spaniards

Angie [Rolling Stones]
Amarinthine

I went to opening night in Portland. It was outstanding. The biggest surprises and highlights were "Stumbleine", "Jesus I / Mary Star of the Sea", "Whir", "Eye", and "Identify" (which Billy wrote, but I never figured we'd ever hear his version). Fantastic show. I really liked the new songs too. I highly recommend this tour.