LoathedVermin72 wrote:As I've said before, I can see both sides of this issue, but at the risk of being unpopular, I just feel the urge to say that the straight white dude outrage over this decision seems...excessive. And a bit privileged.
Could/should they have announced this earlier to alleviate financial and logistical strain on fans? Yeah, probably. That's a shitty situation and I'd be mad if it happened to me. But this does make a statement of solidarity that I'm sure does genuinely mean something to a lot of LGBT people who feel persecuted by this law. At the end of the day, I think that's more important than some money and time I may or may not have lost.
As a straight white dude, I can only say that my concern over this is for the progressives and LGBT folks in North Carolina who have been betrayed both by their legislature AND one-after-another of their favorite musical groups.
Seriously, they better hold out hope that the boycotts have the desired effect, and soon... otherwise that segment of the population in NC has been spurned from inside their state and out.
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Go
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Rats
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Do the evolution
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LoathedVermin72 wrote:As I've said before, I can see both sides of this issue, but at the risk of being unpopular, I just feel the urge to say that the straight white dude outrage over this decision seems...excessive. And a bit privileged.
Could/should they have announced this earlier to alleviate financial and logistical strain on fans? Yeah, probably. That's a shitty situation and I'd be mad if it happened to me. But this does make a statement of solidarity that I'm sure does genuinely mean something to a lot of LGBT people who feel persecuted by this law. At the end of the day, I think that's more important than some money and time I may or may not have lost.
As a straight white dude, I can only say that my concern over this is for the progressives and LGBT folks in North Carolina who have been betrayed both by their legislature AND one-after-another of their favorite musical groups.
Seriously, they better hold out hope that the boycotts have the desired effect, and soon... otherwise that segment of the population in NC has been spurned from inside their state and out.
I have a hard time believing most of the fans affected by this law feel "spurned" by the boycotts.
LoathedVermin72 wrote:As I've said before, I can see both sides of this issue, but at the risk of being unpopular, I just feel the urge to say that the straight white dude outrage over this decision seems...excessive. And a bit privileged.
Could/should they have announced this earlier to alleviate financial and logistical strain on fans? Yeah, probably. That's a shitty situation and I'd be mad if it happened to me. But this does make a statement of solidarity that I'm sure does genuinely mean something to a lot of LGBT people who feel persecuted by this law. At the end of the day, I think that's more important than some money and time I may or may not have lost.
As a straight white dude, I can only say that my concern over this is for the progressives and LGBT folks in North Carolina who have been betrayed both by their legislature AND one-after-another of their favorite musical groups.
Seriously, they better hold out hope that the boycotts have the desired effect, and soon... otherwise that segment of the population in NC has been spurned from inside their state and out.
First they came for my basic human rights, then they came for my middle aged rock bands...
dimejinky99 wrote:Be good if people who have lost out could realise that unless we're all equal, none of us are. Nobody wins unless everybody wins etc
This is nonsense.
Was about to debate that then remembered how backward Australia is on marriage equality
that's because people like spenno keep voting for the old crusty white men and even crustier, older, whiter men coalition.
I wager most people are (sensibly) more concerned about issues such as the economy, national security, health and education than trendy causes like same sex marriage and so on.
I don't think gay people think that's merely a trendy cause.
Yeah spenno, you kind of sound like a giant asshole with that one.
dimejinky99 wrote:Be good if people who have lost out could realise that unless we're all equal, none of us are. Nobody wins unless everybody wins etc
This is nonsense.
Was about to debate that then remembered how backward Australia is on marriage equality
that's because people like spenno keep voting for the old crusty white men and even crustier, older, whiter men coalition.
I wager most people are (sensibly) more concerned about issues such as the economy, national security, health and education than trendy causes like same sex marriage and so on.
I don't think gay people think that's merely a trendy cause.
Yeah spenno, you kind of sound like a giant asshole with that one.
In context with what else he's been saying - not really
"I really enjoy sandwiches but the other guys are so good at making sandwiches that I don't make them. Now I make sandwiches."
LoathedVermin72 wrote:As I've said before, I can see both sides of this issue, but at the risk of being unpopular, I just feel the urge to say that the straight white dude outrage over this decision seems...excessive. And a bit privileged.
Could/should they have announced this earlier to alleviate financial and logistical strain on fans? Yeah, probably. That's a shitty situation and I'd be mad if it happened to me. But this does make a statement of solidarity that I'm sure does genuinely mean something to a lot of LGBT people who feel persecuted by this law. At the end of the day, I think that's more important than some money and time I may or may not have lost.
As a straight white dude, I can only say that my concern over this is for the progressives and LGBT folks in North Carolina who have been betrayed both by their legislature AND one-after-another of their favorite musical groups.
Seriously, they better hold out hope that the boycotts have the desired effect, and soon... otherwise that segment of the population in NC has been spurned from inside their state and out.
First they came for my basic human rights, then they came for my middle aged rock bands...
Then they came for my super low 10c number and self entitlement.
LoathedVermin72 wrote:As I've said before, I can see both sides of this issue, but at the risk of being unpopular, I just feel the urge to say that the straight white dude outrage over this decision seems...excessive. And a bit privileged.
Could/should they have announced this earlier to alleviate financial and logistical strain on fans? Yeah, probably. That's a shitty situation and I'd be mad if it happened to me. But this does make a statement of solidarity that I'm sure does genuinely mean something to a lot of LGBT people who feel persecuted by this law. At the end of the day, I think that's more important than some money and time I may or may not have lost.
As a straight white dude, I can only say that my concern over this is for the progressives and LGBT folks in North Carolina who have been betrayed both by their legislature AND one-after-another of their favorite musical groups.
Seriously, they better hold out hope that the boycotts have the desired effect, and soon... otherwise that segment of the population in NC has been spurned from inside their state and out.
dimejinky99 wrote:Be good if people who have lost out could realise that unless we're all equal, none of us are. Nobody wins unless everybody wins etc
This is nonsense.
Was about to debate that then remembered how backward Australia is on marriage equality
that's because people like spenno keep voting for the old crusty white men and even crustier, older, whiter men coalition.
I wager most people are (sensibly) more concerned about issues such as the economy, national security, health and education than trendy causes like same sex marriage and so on.
I don't think gay people think that's merely a trendy cause.
Yeah spenno, you kind of sound like a giant asshole with that one.
In context with what else he's been saying - not really
It just came off as a dude in the majority class being dismissive of a civil rights struggle for a persecuted class. "OH, it's cute that you want to eat at the woolworth's counter and sit at the front of the bus but can the adults go back to talking about how to beat the ruskies?"
dimejinky99 wrote:Be good if people who have lost out could realise that unless we're all equal, none of us are. Nobody wins unless everybody wins etc
This is nonsense.
Was about to debate that then remembered how backward Australia is on marriage equality
that's because people like spenno keep voting for the old crusty white men and even crustier, older, whiter men coalition.
I wager most people are (sensibly) more concerned about issues such as the economy, national security, health and education than trendy causes like same sex marriage and so on.
I don't think gay people think that's merely a trendy cause.
Yeah spenno, you kind of sound like a giant asshole with that one.
In context with what else he's been saying - not really
It just came off as a dude in the majority class being dismissive of a civil rights struggle for a persecuted class. "OH, it's cute that you want to eat at the woolworth's counter and sit at the front of the bus but can the adults go back to talking about how to beat the ruskies?"
Eh, no.
It is a trendy cause in that's the kind of thing that serves as a loud moral signpost for a lot of people on both sides of the issue who aren't affected by it directly.
Not for a moment do I think it's a trivial issue for anyone who wishes to marry their same sex partner, that's why I said I would expect that someone in that position would consider prioritising it higher than they would other issues when it comes to casting their vote.
dimejinky99 wrote:Be good if people who have lost out could realise that unless we're all equal, none of us are. Nobody wins unless everybody wins etc
This is nonsense.
Was about to debate that then remembered how backward Australia is on marriage equality
that's because people like spenno keep voting for the old crusty white men and even crustier, older, whiter men coalition.
I wager most people are (sensibly) more concerned about issues such as the economy, national security, health and education than trendy causes like same sex marriage and so on.
I don't think gay people think that's merely a trendy cause.
Yeah spenno, you kind of sound like a giant asshole with that one.
In context with what else he's been saying - not really
It just came off as a dude in the majority class being dismissive of a civil rights struggle for a persecuted class. "OH, it's cute that you want to eat at the woolworth's counter and sit at the front of the bus but can the adults go back to talking about how to beat the ruskies?"
Eh, no.
It is a trendy cause in that's the kind of thing that serves as a loud moral signpost for a lot of people on both sides of the issue who aren't affected by it directly.
Not for a moment do I think it's a trivial issue for anyone who wishes to marry their same sex partner, that's why I said I would expect that someone in that position would consider prioritising it higher than they would other issues when it comes to casting their vote.
I know you're not an asshole, spenno. I was just saying what it sounded like to me when I read the post.
