Stephen King's The Dark Tower

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Man I love Idris Elba. I would fuck him.

aw huh

[bada]

Just saw a rumor - do not click unless you've read the last book - about the story:

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Roland has the horn so the movies will be different than the books.

So pumped if that's true. I've said since I finished it that that particular story should be told and here we are.

Everything I've read today on every single website and every podcast or interview I've listened to has supported your spoiler. So, I'd wager that it is absolutely true. Which is fucking awesome and just creates so much freedom and opportunity. I fucking LOVE it.

Yeah its great. They don't have to be a slave to the source and can fix some stuff and I assume have it conclude definitely since the audience will be pissed otherwise.

[epilogue]

Just saw a rumor - do not click unless you've read the last book - about the story:

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Roland has the horn so the movies will be different than the books.

So pumped if that's true. I've said since I finished it that that particular story should be told and here we are.

Everything I've read today on every single website and every podcast or interview I've listened to has supported your spoiler. So, I'd wager that it is absolutely true. Which is fucking awesome and just creates so much freedom and opportunity. I fucking LOVE it.

Yeah its great. They don't have to be a slave to the source and can fix some stuff and I assume have it conclude definitely since the audience will be pissed otherwise.

I wouldn't be surprised if they end it

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with the first ending in the book; not the Coda

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But again, what's great about this is they can do whatever they want. That's the good thing about adaptations.

[Kaius]

Man I love Idris Elba. I would fuck him.

I'm pretty sure he would fuck you.

[CopperTom]

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What's the horn? Was that in the books?

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What's the horn? Was that in the books?

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Oh, yes. Did you read the books? Do you want me to tell you?

[CopperTom]

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What's the horn? Was that in the books?

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Oh, yes. Did you read the books? Do you want me to tell you?

I read all the core books years ago. I am reading tWTtK now. Yes, please tell me.

[tragabigzanda]

Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.

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What's the horn? Was that in the books?

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Oh, yes. Did you read the books? Do you want me to tell you?

I read all the core books years ago. I am reading tWTtK now. Yes, please tell me.

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If you'll recall the book ends on a loop, right. Roland goes into the tower and then ends up back in the desert chasing the man in black again. The series ends on the same iconic line began it. BUT the difference at the end is that Roland has the Horn of Eld with him, which he gets in the tower. So the idea is that it's a loop but things change. Every time he goes on the journey it's different and maybe one day he'll break the cycle completely.

If it's true that Roland has the horn at the start of the film, then the implication is that this is literally a sequel to the book series more than it's an adaptation. Just like Abrams' alternate reality in the Star Trek reboot, they are now free to do whatever they want with the story. The characters are the same essentially but the story can take different turns, different things can and should happen. They can change things and not only is it acceptable but it actually MAKES SENSE that things are different from the book. Because this is a different journey through the loop. Things are different. I fucking LOVE that idea.

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This might actually be awesome, if they are able to take the spirit of the books and put a spin on it that's maybe better suited to the screen. Those pics of Elba are great.

Totally agree. And the cast, so far, is solid. I'm really pumped about this. I wouldn't have said that two months ago.

[bada]

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What's the horn? Was that in the books?

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Oh, yes. Did you read the books? Do you want me to tell you?

I read all the core books years ago. I am reading tWTtK now. Yes, please tell me.

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If you'll recall the book ends on a loop, right. Roland goes into the tower and then ends up back in the desert chasing the man in black again. The series ends on the same iconic line began it. BUT the difference at the end is that Roland has the Horn of Eld with him, which he gets in the tower. So the idea is that it's a loop but things change. Every time he goes on the journey it's different and maybe one day he'll break the cycle completely.

If it's true that Roland has the horn at the start of the film, then the implication is that this is literally a sequel to the book series more than it's an adaptation. Just like Abrams' alternate reality in the Star Trek reboot, they are now free to do whatever they want with the story. The characters are the same essentially but the story can take different turns, different things can and should happen. They can change things and not only is it acceptable but it actually MAKES SENSE that things are different from the book. Because this is a different journey through the loop. Things are different. I fucking LOVE that idea.

Joey's got it all wrong. Click below to get it right.

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[CopperTom]

Do you view the lack of horn to be that quest's flaw? Is he doomed to repeat the quest? Or doomed to repeat it until he gets it right?

[bada]

doomed to repeat it until he gets it right.

[CopperTom]

So the death of his ka tet is OK, but forgetting to pick up the horn is a deal breaker. Weird.

[bada]

It's just a symbol to the reader that its not a static loop and Roland has to the ability make different choices each run through and perhaps find the right combination to break the loop.

[bune]

So the death of his ka tet is OK, but forgetting to pick up the horn is a deal breaker. Weird.

That's basically what my wife said when I told her, except she brought up how he let his girlfriend die instead of saving her and how that was the 'break' that he needs to atone for. I take that part of Roland's history to be so far gone that he can't save her any more than he can save his first ka-tet. But at least he has the horn, maybe he can save everyone?

I can't wait to see how they handle Walter in the later books, never mind the Man in Black. And the Wolves of the Calla? Holy shit, that scene alone is going to cost them millions just to use Snitches and the Doom clones and what-not.

[CopperTom]

I always viewed Susan Delgado's death to be preloop. That would mean the horn is preloop too. Doesn't his quest get reset to right before he meets Jake (book 1)? Susan and the horn take place before that. So how does he have the horn as an adult now? Nothing he does in the quest loop should save Susan or reclaim the horn, right?

[Brett]

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Like bada pointed out, it's simply a symbol from the Tower that this time could be different. As Roland is approaching and then ascending the Tower, it remarks to him, probably in the form of thoughts in his own head, that picking up the horn at Jericho Hill would have been a matter of seconds, but that Roland ignored it in his single-minded press toward what he believes to be his destiny. According to the Tower, that's emblematic of many choices Roland has made throughout his life. It gives him the horn in a little bit of a deus ex machina way to say that on his latest iteration he has improved, and that there's still hope for him yet. It's basically just rewriting some of his past history, which I guess is within the scope of an entity that is the source of everything.