A Song Of Ice and Fire (Spoilers for all Published Books)

[tragabigzanda]

Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.

[Zantac Junkie]

(Sorry if this has been posted already) Now that Brienne is on her way to River Run, are we all assuming she'll eventually find Lady Stoneheart there? Has LS made any appearances in the books beyond the epilogue to ASOS?

In the books, Brienne gets captured by the BwBanners and is confronted by LSH for breaking her oath (she's carrying Lannister steel, after all). Then it's implied that Brienne is going to bring Jaime to answer for his crimes. Am I remembering all of that correctly? It could all conceivably happen on the show this season.

Yeah, that's about it. And we know from the trailers that Jamie is headed to the riverlands for the siege of Riverrun, so everyone will be in the right place. If Stoneheart is ever going to happen, it's now.

[Norah]

So when is Jon going to run into someone that knows Robb legitimized him and named him heir?

did this happen?

In the show, that is.

which episode?

I guess it didn't.

[epilogue]

-Coldhands (who I thought was all but cut from the series--but with Bran and Meera heading out into the snow, this might be back on the menu)

There's a shot from one of the trailers of a hooded figure on horseback hitting a wight with a flaming torch,so it certainly fits.

Although, the more I think about it, the more I think that the show will make it Benjen who saves them.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you're saying. But isn't it pretty well regarded among readers that Benjen IS Coldhands? I thought it was the most popular and legitimate theory since L+R=J.

[Norah]

-Coldhands (who I thought was all but cut from the series--but with Bran and Meera heading out into the snow, this might be back on the menu)

There's a shot from one of the trailers of a hooded figure on horseback hitting a wight with a flaming torch,so it certainly fits.

Although, the more I think about it, the more I think that the show will make it Benjen who saves them.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you're saying. But isn't it pretty well regarded among readers that Benjen IS Coldhands? I thought it was the most popular and legitimate theory since L+R=J.

Nah, they killed him long ago, according to the CotF. And by their reckoning nothing that happened in recent memory would be "long ago".

[Zantac Junkie]

-Coldhands (who I thought was all but cut from the series--but with Bran and Meera heading out into the snow, this might be back on the menu)

There's a shot from one of the trailers of a hooded figure on horseback hitting a wight with a flaming torch,so it certainly fits.

Although, the more I think about it, the more I think that the show will make it Benjen who saves them.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you're saying. But isn't it pretty well regarded among readers that Benjen IS Coldhands? I thought it was the most popular and legitimate theory since L+R=J.

Nah, they killed him long ago, according to the CotF. And by their reckoning nothing that happened in recent memory would be "long ago".

Spoiler: show

Martin also confirmed it, in a response to his editor. http://www.vulture.com/2015/01/grrm-jus ... ge_article

Personally, I think Coldhands is likely one of the Raven's Teeth, Bloodraven's personal guard who accompanied him to the wall.

[epilogue]

-Coldhands (who I thought was all but cut from the series--but with Bran and Meera heading out into the snow, this might be back on the menu)

There's a shot from one of the trailers of a hooded figure on horseback hitting a wight with a flaming torch,so it certainly fits.

Although, the more I think about it, the more I think that the show will make it Benjen who saves them.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you're saying. But isn't it pretty well regarded among readers that Benjen IS Coldhands? I thought it was the most popular and legitimate theory since L+R=J.

Nah, they killed him long ago, according to the CotF. And by their reckoning nothing that happened in recent memory would be "long ago".

Spoiler: show

Martin also confirmed it, in a response to his editor. http://www.vulture.com/2015/01/grrm-jus ... ge_article

Personally, I think Coldhands is likely one of the Raven's Teeth, Bloodraven's personal guard who accompanied him to the wall.

I trust you guys way more than I trust a Vulture article that sites a fucking reddit user.

Absurd.

I'll listen to you guys, but I'm calling bullshit on that "confirmation."

[psychobain]

So when is Jon going to run into someone that knows Robb legitimized him and named him heir?

did this happen?

In the show, that is.

which episode?

yes it happened
but no one care about this stuff anymore

[Zantac Junkie]

-Coldhands (who I thought was all but cut from the series--but with Bran and Meera heading out into the snow, this might be back on the menu)

There's a shot from one of the trailers of a hooded figure on horseback hitting a wight with a flaming torch,so it certainly fits.

Although, the more I think about it, the more I think that the show will make it Benjen who saves them.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you're saying. But isn't it pretty well regarded among readers that Benjen IS Coldhands? I thought it was the most popular and legitimate theory since L+R=J.

Nah, they killed him long ago, according to the CotF. And by their reckoning nothing that happened in recent memory would be "long ago".

Spoiler: show

Martin also confirmed it, in a response to his editor. http://www.vulture.com/2015/01/grrm-jus ... ge_article

Personally, I think Coldhands is likely one of the Raven's Teeth, Bloodraven's personal guard who accompanied him to the wall.

I trust you guys way more than I trust a Vulture article that sites a fucking reddit user.

Absurd.

I'll listen to you guys, but I'm calling bullshit on that "confirmation."

Normally I'd agree with you, but the original reddit post is pretty comprehensive, with lots of photos of George's notes on the manuscript. So, unless it's been debunked and I never heard about it, I'd say it's accurate.

[epilogue]

-Coldhands (who I thought was all but cut from the series--but with Bran and Meera heading out into the snow, this might be back on the menu)

There's a shot from one of the trailers of a hooded figure on horseback hitting a wight with a flaming torch,so it certainly fits.

Although, the more I think about it, the more I think that the show will make it Benjen who saves them.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you're saying. But isn't it pretty well regarded among readers that Benjen IS Coldhands? I thought it was the most popular and legitimate theory since L+R=J.

Nah, they killed him long ago, according to the CotF. And by their reckoning nothing that happened in recent memory would be "long ago".

Spoiler: show

Martin also confirmed it, in a response to his editor. http://www.vulture.com/2015/01/grrm-jus ... ge_article

Personally, I think Coldhands is likely one of the Raven's Teeth, Bloodraven's personal guard who accompanied him to the wall.

I trust you guys way more than I trust a Vulture article that sites a fucking reddit user.

Absurd.

I'll listen to you guys, but I'm calling bullshit on that "confirmation."

Normally I'd agree with you, but the original reddit post is pretty comprehensive, with lots of photos of George's notes on the manuscript. So, unless it's been debunked and I never heard about it, I'd say it's accurate.

Again, I trust you right now. And I believe you. I will not believe anyone on reddit.

[Zantac Junkie]

-Coldhands (who I thought was all but cut from the series--but with Bran and Meera heading out into the snow, this might be back on the menu)

There's a shot from one of the trailers of a hooded figure on horseback hitting a wight with a flaming torch,so it certainly fits.

Although, the more I think about it, the more I think that the show will make it Benjen who saves them.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you're saying. But isn't it pretty well regarded among readers that Benjen IS Coldhands? I thought it was the most popular and legitimate theory since L+R=J.

Nah, they killed him long ago, according to the CotF. And by their reckoning nothing that happened in recent memory would be "long ago".

Spoiler: show

Martin also confirmed it, in a response to his editor. http://www.vulture.com/2015/01/grrm-jus ... ge_article

Personally, I think Coldhands is likely one of the Raven's Teeth, Bloodraven's personal guard who accompanied him to the wall.

I trust you guys way more than I trust a Vulture article that sites a fucking reddit user.

Absurd.

I'll listen to you guys, but I'm calling bullshit on that "confirmation."

Normally I'd agree with you, but the original reddit post is pretty comprehensive, with lots of photos of George's notes on the manuscript. So, unless it's been debunked and I never heard about it, I'd say it's accurate.

Again, I trust you right now. And I believe you. I will not believe anyone on reddit.

Fair enough.

[epilogue]

-Coldhands (who I thought was all but cut from the series--but with Bran and Meera heading out into the snow, this might be back on the menu)

There's a shot from one of the trailers of a hooded figure on horseback hitting a wight with a flaming torch,so it certainly fits.

Although, the more I think about it, the more I think that the show will make it Benjen who saves them.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you're saying. But isn't it pretty well regarded among readers that Benjen IS Coldhands? I thought it was the most popular and legitimate theory since L+R=J.

Nah, they killed him long ago, according to the CotF. And by their reckoning nothing that happened in recent memory would be "long ago".

Spoiler: show

Martin also confirmed it, in a response to his editor. http://www.vulture.com/2015/01/grrm-jus ... ge_article

Personally, I think Coldhands is likely one of the Raven's Teeth, Bloodraven's personal guard who accompanied him to the wall.

I trust you guys way more than I trust a Vulture article that sites a fucking reddit user.

Absurd.

I'll listen to you guys, but I'm calling bullshit on that "confirmation."

Normally I'd agree with you, but the original reddit post is pretty comprehensive, with lots of photos of George's notes on the manuscript. So, unless it's been debunked and I never heard about it, I'd say it's accurate.

Again, I trust you right now. And I believe you. I will not believe anyone on reddit.

Fair enough.

I'm just being petulant. I hadn't seen that story though and it kinda bums me out. It was my favorite of the fan theories.

[Zantac Junkie]

-Coldhands (who I thought was all but cut from the series--but with Bran and Meera heading out into the snow, this might be back on the menu)

There's a shot from one of the trailers of a hooded figure on horseback hitting a wight with a flaming torch,so it certainly fits.

Although, the more I think about it, the more I think that the show will make it Benjen who saves them.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you're saying. But isn't it pretty well regarded among readers that Benjen IS Coldhands? I thought it was the most popular and legitimate theory since L+R=J.

Nah, they killed him long ago, according to the CotF. And by their reckoning nothing that happened in recent memory would be "long ago".

Spoiler: show

Martin also confirmed it, in a response to his editor. http://www.vulture.com/2015/01/grrm-jus ... ge_article

Personally, I think Coldhands is likely one of the Raven's Teeth, Bloodraven's personal guard who accompanied him to the wall.

I trust you guys way more than I trust a Vulture article that sites a fucking reddit user.

Absurd.

I'll listen to you guys, but I'm calling bullshit on that "confirmation."

Normally I'd agree with you, but the original reddit post is pretty comprehensive, with lots of photos of George's notes on the manuscript. So, unless it's been debunked and I never heard about it, I'd say it's accurate.

Again, I trust you right now. And I believe you. I will not believe anyone on reddit.

Fair enough.

I'm just being petulant. I hadn't seen that story though and it kinda bums me out. It was my favorite of the fan theories.

Well, regardless of what George does, I'm fairly certain that the show is going to bring Benjen back next week to escort Bran and Meera back to the wall. Which would kind of make him Coldhands by proxy.

[epilogue]

Well, regardless of what George does, I'm fairly certain that the show is going to bring Benjen back next week to escort Bran and Meera back to the wall. Which would kind of make him Coldhands by proxy.

Yeah, I hope you're right. I've been banking on some kind of payoff with Benjin since the beginning. Would be fucking awesome to see him again.

Especially since we still have to tell Jon who he really is somehow.

[Norah]

Honestly, in the books I don't think we're ever getting Benjen back, and I think that's how I want it. For all the characters that go and then come back, and for everything that is more than what it seems, it's nice to have some things that are what they seem. Benjen went north of the wall during a time when it was more perilous to do so than it had been before. He wasn't the only ranger to do so, and he wasn't the only ranger to lose his life because of it.

[Simple Torture]

Honestly, in the books I don't think we're ever getting Benjen back, and I think that's how I want it.

Me too. I'm on the record that I'd rather have no more returns/secret identities. The people that think Daario is Benjen are the most insufferable people in the world.

[Norah]

Honestly, in the books I don't think we're ever getting Benjen back, and I think that's how I want it.

Me too. I'm on the record that I'd rather have no more returns/secret identities. The people that think Daario is Benjen are the most insufferable people in the world.

Pretty much all Daario theories piss me off. I'd be ok with him being Pate but I hate how he became the Kindly Man in the show.

[Simple Torture]

Honestly, in the books I don't think we're ever getting Benjen back, and I think that's how I want it.

Me too. I'm on the record that I'd rather have no more returns/secret identities. The people that think Daario is Benjen are the most insufferable people in the world.

Pretty much all Daario theories piss me off. I'd be ok with him being Pate but I hate how he became the Kindly Man in the show.

I think you mean Jaqen.

[Norah]

Honestly, in the books I don't think we're ever getting Benjen back, and I think that's how I want it.

Me too. I'm on the record that I'd rather have no more returns/secret identities. The people that think Daario is Benjen are the most insufferable people in the world.

Pretty much all Daario theories piss me off. I'd be ok with him being Pate but I hate how he became the Kindly Man in the show.

I think you mean Jaqen.

fuck, man

[Norah]

Wait, there's a Daario is Benjen theory?