Live Long and Prosper; the Trek Thread

[epilogue]

I love LV. And I think I understand where he's coming from a lot of the time. But when it comes to this kinda thing, I'm genuinely at a loss.

Much like Christ, either he's Lord, liar or lunatic. I'm not sure which my fingers are crossed for. Either way, I'm glad he's here.

[LoathedVermin72]

But seriously, I think TNG flourished while he was alive. Dramatic conflict doesn't have to be interpersonal among the crew. The show went downhill after he passed.

Of course dramatic conflict doesn't have to be interpersonal among the crew. But ignoring one of the truest and oldest aspects of human nature isn't interesting or believable or sustainable. I get what he was going for, but again, there's no dramatic tension in it.

people like you are the reason we don't have spaceships

wut

Again, serious response now: I just flat-out disagree with you. What you're talking is the entire core vision for the show. Roddenberry's whole concept was that humans would only be able to achieve the amazing things they did in the show after they evolve out of all the petty conflict that has been holding us back since the dawn of time. The "believability" of that is debatable and subjective, but I absolutely think it's sustainable and interesting. That's why I think the show became LESS interesting as they slowly moved away from that. It always mostly remained, but they strayed. It's the whole reason I responded to Trek in the first place.

Also, in today's installment of "That's So LV!", I think "dramatic conflict" is possibly the most overrated thing ever.

Boy oh boy. I'm comfortable disagreeing with you on just about anything. But absolutely not on the idea of dramatic conflict. Absolutely not. What you're saying is absurd. It's ignorant. And I appreciate your "subjective" arguments but this isn't one of them. You sound ignorant. And I know you're not so I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and just let it go. We'll call it an agree to disagree subject and move along without anyone getting hurt.

But regarding your first paragraph. Those aren't mutually exclusive ideas. And that's what Roddenberry didn't seem to understand either. Dramatic conflict doesn't mean "humans haven't evolved past petty conflict." Dramatic conflict isn't petty conflict.

sigh

[epilogue]

Yeah, pretty much.

[LoathedVermin72]

Sometimes I just get tired of everything having to involve conflict, you know?

[epilogue]

It's the way of the world, friend. Everything is conflict.

[LoathedVermin72]

Ehh, I don't know about that. It certainly doesn't need to be a part of every single work of fiction ever.

[epilogue]

It does, though. If you're telling a story with a narrative it does.

[LoathedVermin72]

Well, we all know how I feel about that.

[bada]

LV is certainly the first person I've ever heard of that thinks the first two seasons of TNG are the best. Each their own.

[LoathedVermin72]

LV is certainly the first person I've ever heard of that thinks the first two seasons of TNG are the best. Each their own.

Actually, I think seasons 2 and 3 are the best.

[BurtReynolds]

The alien rapist episode is a little strange

[bada]

LV is certainly the first person I've ever heard of that thinks the first two seasons of TNG are the best. Each their own.

Actually, I think seasons 2 and 3 are the best.

Yeah three is very good and they were still pretending Gene had a say still.

[bada]

The alien rapist episode is a little strange

Was never wild about Troi episodes.

[BurtReynolds]

oh man, this is not one for the highlight reel.

hilarious drunken science man

Spoiler: show

[BurtReynolds]

this show has a great score

[Revelator]

All episodes involving Troi's mother are the worst, IMO. Overall though TNG is far and away my favorite ST series, and easily one of my top 10 shows all time.

[bada]

DS9 is my favorite. I'm holding out hope they will do a remaster for it but I doubt it will happen.

[EJ]

All episodes involving Troi's mother are the worst, IMO. Overall though TNG is far and away my favorite ST series, and easily one of my top 10 shows all time.

Agree with all of this.

[LoathedVermin72]

I like Troi's mom. The one episode where her new lover has to die (or something like that) is excellent, and gives a great new dimension to that character.

[bada]

I like Troi's mom. The one episode where her new lover has to die (or something like that) is excellent, and gives a great new dimension to that character.

Charles Emerson Winchester III made that episode.