Star Wars: Rogue One

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Which was better:

Rogue One
36
61%
The Force Awakens
10
17%
Equally Good
11
19%
Haven't Seen Both
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Both Suck
2
3%
 
Total votes: 59

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durdencommatyler wrote:More from my guy on the inside:
  • Some crew initially heard J.J. Abrams was supervising the reshoots.
  • Gareth Edwards is doing the reshoots himself but with a partner, Christopher McQuarrie.
  • Christopher McQuarrie, the final writer on Rogue One will be working extensively with Edwards on set to make sure they’re on the “same page” with the most recent draft of the film.
  • Christopher McQuarrie’s draft of Rogue One: A Star Wars Story was considered superior to the film they shot previously.
  • It was not Edwards’ fault as McQuarrie’s draft wasn’t completed when much of the film was shot and revisions kept coming in that made the film feel uneven.
  • 32 sets have been recreated for the reshoot.
  • The crew expects they are reshooting 40% of the film.
  • They are working 6 days a week for 8 weeks.
When the movie began filming there was a lot of talk that the budget had been greatly reduced slightly before shooting meaning, more CGI would be needed. Now it looks like the movie is going to cost what it was supposed to cost from the start. The quality of the film wasn’t bad, it just needs to be better and all involved are happy to make that happen.
That's encouraging to read. No one likes a PR blunder, especially Disney. It has to make sure that this thing is done right for its audience.

Money spent now on the film, even if it goes over budget, is money saved fighting a PR war.
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I plan on loving this movie even if I hate it.
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Simple Torture wrote:
durdencommatyler wrote:More from my guy on the inside:
  • Some crew initially heard J.J. Abrams was supervising the reshoots.
  • Gareth Edwards is doing the reshoots himself but with a partner, Christopher McQuarrie.
  • Christopher McQuarrie, the final writer on Rogue One will be working extensively with Edwards on set to make sure they’re on the “same page” with the most recent draft of the film.
  • Christopher McQuarrie’s draft of Rogue One: A Star Wars Story was considered superior to the film they shot previously.
  • It was not Edwards’ fault as McQuarrie’s draft wasn’t completed when much of the film was shot and revisions kept coming in that made the film feel uneven.
  • 32 sets have been recreated for the reshoot.
  • The crew expects they are reshooting 40% of the film.
  • They are working 6 days a week for 8 weeks.
When the movie began filming there was a lot of talk that the budget had been greatly reduced slightly before shooting meaning, more CGI would be needed. Now it looks like the movie is going to cost what it was supposed to cost from the start. The quality of the film wasn’t bad, it just needs to be better and all involved are happy to make that happen.
Did your guy leak the same information to Making Star Wars? Because they posted the same list: http://makingstarwars.net/2016/06/how-e ... shoots-be/
Oh I'm sure the same people he talks to are the same people who get this kind of info out to everyone. Again, he's not involved with the movies, he's just in the industry and knows people. I'm sure this list was taken from Making Star Wars.
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Here you go. This makes all the sense in the world.

http://www.ew.com/article/2016/06/03/rogue-one-reshoots

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Here’s what’s happening with Rogue One:

Over the past week, numerous stories have emerged about reshoots on the first of the Star Wars stand-alone films, and fans have become as nervous and jittery as C-3PO at a Star Trek convention. After reaching out to deeply placed sources on the movie and at Lucasfilm to sort fact from fiction, Entertainment Weekly has learned new details about the state of the project – including who’s working on the new sequences and what those scenes involve. Here’s what’s true: The film, which is about Rebels stealing the plans for the first Death Star just before the events of 1977’s original Star Wars, is undergoing four to five weeks of reshoots, beginning this month and ending just days before the Star Wars Celebration fan event in London on July 15.

High level sources at Lucasfilm, who spoke to EW independently and anonymously, offered some details that place the schedule in context. (Official studio sources declined comment, saying they don’t respond to rumors.) In what may reassure fans, reshoots were scheduled for the film before even a single scene was shot. It’s standard practice now for large-scale films to build in additional weeks of shooting so filmmakers can tweak a movie after the first assembly cut. Those reshoots were originally planned for the spring, but were bumped to mid-summer to allow for extra time as director Gareth Edwards and the creative team decided what they wanted to alter. “The changes have everything to do with clarity and character development and all take place [as inserts] within scenes we’ve already shot,” said one source on the project.

In other words, the changes involve more intimate moments – not redoing entire battle sequences or plot lines. “It’s a lot of talking in cockpits,” as one insider described the new footage. The plan now is to lock picture in mid-August and begin scoring the movie in September – which would actually be an earlier timeline than The Force Awakens, which also underwent several weeks of summer reshoots and locked picture in October.

The rumor that almost half the movie is being reshot elicits both laughter and groans from those closest to the film. While it might seem like spin-control from those working on the film, their logic bears out: “If we were rewriting the movie and reshooting 40 percent of movie, we would not be finishing in August,” a source on the production says. “People really would be panicking – and changing the release date.” The length of the reshoots adds up because it involves separate contributions from many different actors. Rogue One is an ensemble story with seven major characters, including the outlaw Jyn Erso (played by Felicity Jones), and her team of Rebel infiltrators played by Diego Luna, Donnie Yen, Alan Tudyk (as a performance capture droid), Riz Ahmed, Forest Whitaker, and Wen Jiang. Ben Mendelsohn costars as an Imperial officer, and Mads Mikkelson has said he plays Jyn’s father.

A source familiar with the reshoots said one of the challenges has been reuniting the cast, many of whom are involved in other movies after the pre-planned reshoots were shifted from the spring to summer. “It is a complicated schedule trying to pull people in around other things they’re doing,” the source says. “And this cast is spread out all over the world.”

Rumors that Christopher McQuarrie, best known for writing the Oscar-winning script for The Usual Suspects and writing and directing Mission: Impossible – Rogue Nation, has written a new script and will be involved in co-directing the reshoots are false. McQuarrie did make contributions to an earlier draft of the script, sources confirm. But that’s the extent of his work on Rogue One. As rumors about his involvement in the Star Wars film began to spread yesterday, McQuarrie himself took to Twitter to deny them. But EW’s reporting has uncovered a new collaborator on Rogue One: Tony Gilroy, the writer-director of Michael Clayton. He was brought aboard the project in the spring to offer notes on the first cut and write some additional material to enhance the story.

Gilroy has deep ties to the Rogue One team. He also worked on the screenplays for many of the Bourne films and even directed 2012’s The Bourne Legacy, which were all produced by Frank Marshall, the husband of Kathleen Kennedy, who is the president of Lucasfilm. One source says he’s trusted by Kennedy and the story team, and has even been recruited to consult on other Star Wars projects. In addition to his Kennedy-Marshall history, Gilroy has worked before with Rogue One director Edwards, having done similar uncredited work on the filmmaker’s previous movie, 2014’s Godzilla, to strengthen the story before release. In addition to writing new dialogue for the reshoots, Gilroy will assist Edwards as a second unit director when cameras start rolling again.

A GRITTIER TONE

Fears that the heavy-duty war movie is being watered down into a lighthearted caper are unfounded, according to what EW has learned. “The movie is very different than [The Force Awakens], and that’s intentional,” one source says. “It’s a war film.” Rumors that Disney executives have forced the changes to make the movie more family friendly are also false. According to EW’s sources, there have been no test screenings, and it’s unlikely there ever will be on a Star Wars film. The only two individuals outside of Lucasfilm who have seen Rogue One at this point are Disney CEO and Chairman Bob Iger and studio chief Alan Horn. One source close to the film said rather than feeling like Disney brass was meddling, the filmmakers were just happy the corporate bosses let them alter the schedule and make the changes they wanted. “This is a normal part of our filmmaking process,” that source said. “We’re working and tweaking and making sure it’s right. This is how you build something in layers.”

But there’s no question: the rumors have freaked out fans. In addition to alarming the audience, this week’s ;gossip – fueled by a report in the New York Post – has also frustrated the filmmaking team, who are starting to learn the massive enthusiasm for Star Wars can be a double-edged sword. The passion is over-the-top, but so is the scrutiny. “I can’t think of anything in world of creativity [that isn’t changed or reworked,]” one source said. “You need to do that when making these movies.”

One source asked that the Star Wars community give them the benefit of the doubt until the Celebration event in July, when some of what they’ve been working on with Rogue One will be unveiled: “People will go insane.”
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And just for clarification, ST, "my guy" said he got that from Making Strar Wars. He just didn't include the link. He was passing on the info but the link got cut off.

The thing I just posted seems to be much more in line with the things he had been hearing/passing on previously.
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All sounds feasible there.

This is going to be great.
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LetMeSleep wrote:All sounds feasible there.

This is going to be great.
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There's an interesting part in the how Star Wars conquered the universe book that speaks to what's happening with the reshoot meltdown fans are having online.

Hardcore fans, a lot of them, actually really hate a lot of elements of Star Wars and are hardest on it than anyone. This stems from their own sense of ownership of the universe and how they perceive it. So anything new coming down the line, they're the first to wish it fails and almost campaign and celebrate news or rumours like this one about the reshoots. It's pre-emptively protecting themselves from disappointment in case they do hate it when it's released. But even at that, they'll rail against it anyways, *especially* if it turns out to be a huge success because suddenly, their universe that they own is suddenly overrun by the general public and somehow the super fans love or enjoyment is diminished and they feel robbed.


I guess we do it too in things like PJ or our favourite sports teams etc. But the SW fans go to a huge and often scary level.
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Here's hoping pearl jam does the end credits music
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Jesus Christ I hate fans
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LoathedVermin72 wrote:Jesus Christ I hate fans
What dime's talking about is extreme. But it's not that far removed from what you were saying the other day about Star Trek and why people dislike it so much. People get attached to the things they love. They tend, if it's good, to feel a sense of ownership. Look at LOST's massive backlash. I don't like it much either, but it's not something anyone can really fix.
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There's not really a lot of evidence of that. Sure, you can point out experiences you've had with people bitching about a character not looking right or etc, but one of the reasons these endless adaptations/reboots/serials work as product is that the studio can make major changes without sacrificing core audience. By acquiring Marvel characters, you acquire the Marvel fans. Then you make changes in order to draw in a broader audience. If "land owning" fans actually handled change poorly, then the studio would lose a lot of them in their broader appeal efforts...and the whole purpose of making a Star Wars film (free Star Wars fans!) would be lost. The model would be broken.

There's more evidence to say that, when you like something, you actually have a semi-hierarchical set of identified qualities that you like. So long as the qualities nearest the top of this hierarchy hold, the rest can generally change without lasting impact on your response. In other words: Batman's suit can change drastically over the years, or he can just not have it for stretches of time, and while some people will bitch it almost never results in a loss of actual fandom. No particular variation of the suit is high enough on our collective hierarchy of what makes the character appealing. He has other qualities that draw us in. On the other hand, Indiana Jones is basically just punchy Harrison Ford in a hat, so a movie without the hat (a hat!) would probably cause a great deal of stink (it's just a goddamn hat!).

To go back to durd's Star Trek example, lasting negative fan reaction to the reboot has been significantly higher than most adapted properties, because JJ captured a lot of what casual viewers liked (these guys are in space, these two develop a bromance, this one grumbles a lot and pew pew pew), and abandoned a lot of what most everybody was happy to lose (dated feel and the too-restrictive production bible), but understood little of what drew many of the more passionate fans to the property.
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McParadigm wrote:but understood little of what drew many of the more passionate fans to the property.
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McParadigm wrote:To go back to durd's Star Trek example, lasting negative fan reaction to the reboot has been significantly higher than most adapted properties, because JJ captured a lot of what casual viewers liked (these guys are in space, these two develop a bromance, this one grumbles a lot and pew pew pew), and abandoned a lot of what most everybody was happy to lose (dated feel and the too-restrictive production bible), but understood little of what drew many of the more passionate fans to the property.
Could bet that I'm just good at ignoring all the negativity because I liked the new Trek films. But is there really a noticeable "lasting negative fan reaction" that's any greater than other franchises?

Seems like the people that didn't like them really fucking HATE them and have no problem telling you about it. But (and I admit that this isn't scientific and purely anecdotal so it's fairly meaningless) I see a ton of support for those movies too. There are plenty of hardcore fans that appreciate and enjoy the Trek movies.

But regardless, I see your overall point. I can't speak for dime, but I certainly wasn't trying to say that this sense of ownership resulted in disenfranchisement or abandoning of the property.

I think what you're saying about hierarchical qualities is what dime was talking about. I think it's totally in line with what he was saying.
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durdencommatyler wrote:But is there really a noticeable "lasting negative fan reaction" that's any greater than other franchises?
Well prob have the answer based on the performance of Beyond.
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durdencommatyler wrote:But is there really a noticeable "lasting negative fan reaction" that's any greater than other franchises?
Well prob have the answer based on the performance of Beyond.
Perhaps. But there are plenty of hardcore fans that dislike a lot of the movies. I don't see many hardcore fans singing Insurrection's praises, for example. And that was basically an epic episode. Or the original movie. Plenty of "true fans" are lukewarm at best on that one.
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durdencommatyler wrote:Could bet that I'm just good at ignoring all the negativity because I liked the new Trek films. But is there really a noticeable "lasting negative fan reaction" that's any greater than other franchises?
There's quite a bit. In fact, it's so easy to find for yourself, I'll only touch on the tiniest fraction of the most surfacy surface and link this: https://www.theguardian.com/film/2013/a ... oted-worst

Fan groups tend to trend towards having shared quality hierarchies...it's a part of how they form a community around the property...but it isn't universal. I would argue that your Star Trek appreciation is structured and focused different from the majority of fans...you are drawn to a different set of primary qualities...which gives you a different perspective on the franchise (cool!) but also makes you a little blind to a lot of what they are thinking.
I think what you're saying about hierarchical qualities is what dime was talking about. I think it's totally in line with what he was saying.
The difference is in how the two concepts are used to interpret events. Dime's "fan ownership" approach could be used to dismiss negative response to any new Star Wars film, because the new film by definition introduces some amount of change. Recognizing that people really tend to have only a core set of properties they REQUIRE in order to continue their appreciation makes it clear that misplaced fandom is probably not responsible for something like the Rogue drama.
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durdencommatyler wrote:But is there really a noticeable "lasting negative fan reaction" that's any greater than other franchises?
Well prob have the answer based on the performance of Beyond.
Perhaps. But there are plenty of hardcore fans that dislike a lot of the movies. I don't see many hardcore fans singing Insurrection's praises, for example. And that was basically an epic episode. Or the original movie. Plenty of "true fans" are lukewarm at best on that one.

Right but those later TNG movies effectively killed the franchise. Even the hardcore fans weren't showing up. Its never been cool to like Star Trek and its one of the few geek properties that still isn't cool. They need those people and the last Trek really alienated them.
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durdencommatyler wrote:Could bet that I'm just good at ignoring all the negativity because I liked the new Trek films. But is there really a noticeable "lasting negative fan reaction" that's any greater than other franchises?
There's quite a bit. In fact, it's so easy to find for yourself, I'll only touch on the tiniest fraction of the most surfacy surface and link this: https://www.theguardian.com/film/2013/a ... oted-worst

Fan groups tend to trend towards having shared quality hierarchies...it's a part of how they form a community around the property...but it isn't universal. I would argue that your Star Trek appreciation is structured and focused different from the majority of fans...you are drawn to a different set of primary qualities...which gives you a different perspective on the franchise (cool!) but also makes you a little blind to a lot of what they are thinking.
I'm not blind to it. I know it exists. I've seen similar articles and such. But I guess what I don't see is how it's any bigger or worse or whatever than other franchises. That article only talks about Into Darkness. Which isn't my favorite Trek movie either and is well below JJ's first Trek film in my estimation.

Just seems like the same thing we see with the Star Wars prequels or the last season of LOST or countless other things. *Shrugs*
The difference is in how the two concepts are used to interpret events. Dime's "fan ownership" approach could be used to dismiss negative response to any new Star Wars film, because the new film by definition introduces some amount of change. Recognizing that people really tend to have only a core set of properties they REQUIRE in order to continue their appreciation makes it clear that misplaced fandom is probably not responsible for something like the Rogue drama.
Not all the drama, sure. But I thought we were specifically talking about MOAR VADERRR.
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bada wrote:
durdencommatyler wrote:But is there really a noticeable "lasting negative fan reaction" that's any greater than other franchises?
Well prob have the answer based on the performance of Beyond.
Perhaps. But there are plenty of hardcore fans that dislike a lot of the movies. I don't see many hardcore fans singing Insurrection's praises, for example. And that was basically an epic episode. Or the original movie. Plenty of "true fans" are lukewarm at best on that one.

Right but those later TNG movies effectively killed the franchise. Even the hardcore fans weren't showing up. Its never been cool to like Star Trek and its one of the few geek properties that still isn't cool. They need those people and the last Trek really alienated them.
They apparently don't need those people since regardless of how alienated those hardcore fans feel, Into Darkness was still the highest grossing film in franchise history and the 11th highest grossing film in the US in 2013.
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