A Song Of Ice and Fire (Spoilers for all Published Books)

[tragabigzanda]

Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.

[Zantac Junkie]

So in the books Cersei is going on trial for, among other things, the incest with Jaime that led to him fathering the Baratheon children. I assume this is also what she's on trial for in the show, which means Tommen's complicity with the Faith makes no sense. If she's guilty then he's not king.

They should address it at some point since it's just a big meatball sitting there, but it can be explained away (i.e., High Sparrow can say that they don't want to get involved in political matters, just cares about souls, etc.). I imagine Cersei is going to bring it up at her trial.

I don't think Cersei is planning on attending her trial, which will be a convenient way to get all her enemies in one place.

Wasn't this sort of implied by her asking her Maester about his little birds, and "if the rumors were true"? I'm assuming she's chasing down Gendry to try to upend the situation in King's Landing.

I'm assuming it means that they've discovered a huge cache of wildfire under the great sept of baelor.

[Simple Torture]

So in the books Cersei is going on trial for, among other things, the incest with Jaime that led to him fathering the Baratheon children. I assume this is also what she's on trial for in the show, which means Tommen's complicity with the Faith makes no sense. If she's guilty then he's not king.

They should address it at some point since it's just a big meatball sitting there, but it can be explained away (i.e., High Sparrow can say that they don't want to get involved in political matters, just cares about souls, etc.). I imagine Cersei is going to bring it up at her trial.

I don't think Cersei is planning on attending her trial, which will be a convenient way to get all her enemies in one place.

Wasn't this sort of implied by her asking her Maester about his little birds, and "if the rumors were true"? I'm assuming she's chasing down Gendry to try to upend the situation in King's Landing.

I'm assuming it means that they've discovered a huge cache of wildfire under the great sept of baelor.

I was going to ask what you guys thought this was...but I think this is the best answer.

[Mecca]

I thought it was the rumor about Tyrion in Meereen

[tragabigzanda]

Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.

[spike]

So in the books Cersei is going on trial for, among other things, the incest with Jaime that led to him fathering the Baratheon children. I assume this is also what she's on trial for in the show, which means Tommen's complicity with the Faith makes no sense. If she's guilty then he's not king.

They should address it at some point since it's just a big meatball sitting there, but it can be explained away (i.e., High Sparrow can say that they don't want to get involved in political matters, just cares about souls, etc.). I imagine Cersei is going to bring it up at her trial.

I don't think Cersei is planning on attending her trial, which will be a convenient way to get all her enemies in one place.

Wasn't this sort of implied by her asking her Maester about his little birds, and "if the rumors were true"? I'm assuming she's chasing down Gendry to try to upend the situation in King's Landing.

I'm assuming it means that they've discovered a huge cache of wildfire under the great sept of baelor.

yep.

[bada]

Thought they already found the wildfire?

[tragabigzanda]

Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.

[spike]

Thought they already found the wildfire?

Tyrion had someone make a bunch of wildfire. Maybe he stocked the surplus away?

caches would be leftover from the mad king's plot to "burn them all"

[jwfocker]

Thought they already found the wildfire?

Tyrion had someone make a bunch of wildfire. Maybe he stocked the surplus away?

caches would be leftover from the mad king's plot to "burn them all"

Yeah I'm thinking that was the goal of sending out those kids - to find out where the rest of the surplus was located from the mad king. Tyrion located one cache but supposedly there are numerous other storage spots.

[spike]

Thought they already found the wildfire?

Tyrion had someone make a bunch of wildfire. Maybe he stocked the surplus away?

caches would be leftover from the mad king's plot to "burn them all"

Yeah I'm thinking that was the goal of sending out those kids - to find out where the rest of the surplus was located from the mad king. Tyrion located one cache but supposedly there are numerous other storage spots.

and it's just the next terrible decision by cersei, as it'll no doubt kill people she cares about. considering the riverrun siege is over and characters can move as quickly across the realm as they please, i wonder if jaime will be around in time for the trial at the sept.

[BurtReynolds]

If Tommen dies who next in line? Or does everyone give up on the idea of a king and break up in time for the dragons to come?

[spike]

If Tommen dies who next in line? Or does everyone give up on the idea of a king and break up in time for the dragons to come?

no successor. in stable times, the heads of the great houses would get together and sort it out, but things are currently chaotic, so it'd probably be the lannisters (cersei) and tyrells (margaery) butting heads for the throne.

[jwfocker]

Thought they already found the wildfire?

Tyrion had someone make a bunch of wildfire. Maybe he stocked the surplus away?

caches would be leftover from the mad king's plot to "burn them all"

Yeah I'm thinking that was the goal of sending out those kids - to find out where the rest of the surplus was located from the mad king. Tyrion located one cache but supposedly there are numerous other storage spots.

and it's just the next terrible decision by cersei, as it'll no doubt kill people she cares about. considering the riverrun siege is over and characters can move as quickly across the realm as they please, i wonder if jaime will be around in time for the trial at the sept.

he probably makes it back just in time to see her horrible decision come to fruition.

[spike]

Thought they already found the wildfire?

Tyrion had someone make a bunch of wildfire. Maybe he stocked the surplus away?

caches would be leftover from the mad king's plot to "burn them all"

Yeah I'm thinking that was the goal of sending out those kids - to find out where the rest of the surplus was located from the mad king. Tyrion located one cache but supposedly there are numerous other storage spots.

and it's just the next terrible decision by cersei, as it'll no doubt kill people she cares about. considering the riverrun siege is over and characters can move as quickly across the realm as they please, i wonder if jaime will be around in time for the trial at the sept.

he probably makes it back just in time to see her horrible decision come to fruition.

maybe he realizes he has to stab his sword through her back as well to save lives

[tragabigzanda]

Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.

[Zantac Junkie]

Thought they already found the wildfire?

Tyrion had someone make a bunch of wildfire. Maybe he stocked the surplus away?

caches would be leftover from the mad king's plot to "burn them all"

Yeah I'm thinking that was the goal of sending out those kids - to find out where the rest of the surplus was located from the mad king. Tyrion located one cache but supposedly there are numerous other storage spots.

and it's just the next terrible decision by cersei, as it'll no doubt kill people she cares about. considering the riverrun siege is over and characters can move as quickly across the realm as they please, i wonder if jaime will be around in time for the trial at the sept.

he probably makes it back just in time to see her horrible decision come to fruition.

Yea, I'd buy this. His speech to Edmure last night about his love for Cersei seemed like a pretty obvious foreshadowing of his eventual downfall. He continue to reject the notion that he's capable of honor, and he does so all in the name of Cersei. She will ultimately be his downfall, one way or another.

He also said something about her turning cities to ash to protect her children. I thought it was pretty blatant foreshadowing.

[tragabigzanda]

Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.

[Norah]

Thought they already found the wildfire?

Tyrion had someone make a bunch of wildfire. Maybe he stocked the surplus away?

caches would be leftover from the mad king's plot to "burn them all"

Yeah I'm thinking that was the goal of sending out those kids - to find out where the rest of the surplus was located from the mad king. Tyrion located one cache but supposedly there are numerous other storage spots.

and it's just the next terrible decision by cersei, as it'll no doubt kill people she cares about. considering the riverrun siege is over and characters can move as quickly across the realm as they please, i wonder if jaime will be around in time for the trial at the sept.

he probably makes it back just in time to see her horrible decision come to fruition.

maybe he realizes he has to stab his sword through her back as well to save lives

This would be a great move for him to make in the book, as a sort of completion to his redemption arc. It's a shame they've thrown that away in the show.

[spike]

Thought they already found the wildfire?

Tyrion had someone make a bunch of wildfire. Maybe he stocked the surplus away?

caches would be leftover from the mad king's plot to "burn them all"

Yeah I'm thinking that was the goal of sending out those kids - to find out where the rest of the surplus was located from the mad king. Tyrion located one cache but supposedly there are numerous other storage spots.

and it's just the next terrible decision by cersei, as it'll no doubt kill people she cares about. considering the riverrun siege is over and characters can move as quickly across the realm as they please, i wonder if jaime will be around in time for the trial at the sept.

he probably makes it back just in time to see her horrible decision come to fruition.

maybe he realizes he has to stab his sword through her back as well to save lives

This would be a great move for him to make in the book, as a sort of completion to his redemption arc. It's a shame they've thrown that away in the show.

i read that article too, and i don't think they've abandoned it yet in the show. his speech to edmure could just be an attempt to raise the drama of his eventual realization that cersei is no good. along with his scene with cersei earlier in the season, when he implies that he doesn't really care about his kids, just her.

jaime rolls into the sept, sees what's about to happen to his last living child, and makes the impossible yet honorable decision to save tommen (who's relatively innocent) by killing cersei (who he loves, but realizes in that moment is pure evil). jaime is redeemed and his thinking is no longer clouded by her.

and then the mountain rips his head off, but hey, maybe he has a shot at going to the seventh heaven now.