Brexit

[dimejinky99]

The people will continue voting until they get it right, goddamn it!

Funny you mention that. Ireland had to have a referendum on the Lisbon treaty which would ratify the treaty across Europe. We voted overwhelmingly against it. Which threw a hammer in European gears completely. So, out they came with the fear mongering and Europe is good for us and we're better off in it blather, and they made us have the same referendum again.


There won't be a second referendum in the uk. But it may be challenged or actually ignored. They have 2 years to implement and it'll take at least that long for negotiations but the EU want them out ASAP to prevent a rout of other countries following suit. Sweden Holland and France could be up next.

[LetMeSleep]

I can't tell you how much I agree with this article. It got me rather emotional, like.
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk ... untry-back

[Bi_3]

I can't tell you how much I agree with this article. It got me rather emotional, like.
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk ... untry-back

Maybe instead knee jerk whinging like a scorned prom date, people should take a breath and see what actually happens. This end of the world shit is annoying. Look up man, the sky didn't fall, and your not suddenly a Trump supporting racist.

[Bob Loblaw]

I think that neatly captures the two main factors that would've most compelled me to vote Leave (where I able to): sovereignty, immigration.

I think it's an important symbolic victory too. It's deciding what kind of future you want to live in.

It's not like Britain is experiencing an immigration crisis. There was fear involved in that decision, so it's not an entirely rational one. Further, if Britain had stayed in EU, they would've had a big role in shaping policy for the whole continent.

[ABNorman]

I can't tell you how much I agree with this article. It got me rather emotional, like.
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk ... untry-back

Maybe instead knee jerk whinging like a scorned prom date, people should take a breath and see what actually happens. This end of the world shit is annoying. Look up man, the sky didn't fall, and your not suddenly a Trump supporting racist.

"Oh you've shot your foot off? Lol, just take a breath and see what happens, man."

[Bi_3]

"I heard the UK shot itself in the foot"

"No, it was no a non-binding vote to leave the EU"

"Oh you've shot your foot off?"

"Can't say since it will take one to two years to renegotiate existing treaties and trade agreements, there is no way to judge should the government of the U.K. enact the will of its citizens, so..."

"Oh you've shot your foot off?"

"Well, the U.K. is the second largest economy in Europe and 5th largest in the world and both sides benefit from as much trade as possible between the Kingdom and the continent, participate in common defense and energy projects , so..."

"Oh you've shot your foot off?"

"Tensions are running high right now. Markets were not anticipating a leave win, and a lot of people lost money on Friday. The biggest challenge is perception. Younger citizens in the UK, fueled by globalist media organizations and the echo chamber of social media , fear they have been betrayed by older voters who want to go back to some storybook idea of the UK that can't exist anymore. As the long process of separation goes forward, both sides are going to have to do a lot of damage control to ensure that all sides feel taken care of and that the economies of Scotland and Northern Ireland who do business through the UK are taken care of as well so..."

"Ha! You admit it was racist old people!"

"Xenophobia was certainly an element of the equation, but not all of it. Globalization isn't always a good thing even if it does create a more multicultural society especially when people don't feel like their voices are being heard or worse, being ignored. And The EU itself has seemed helpless in the face of the Arab/African immigration crisis and expanding Russian aggression on the eastern border. Self determination is a powerful idea for many people and it's easy to see why people might not trust the Union to put what's good for Britian first if it negatively effects other member states"

[Birds in Hell]

I think that neatly captures the two main factors that would've most compelled me to vote Leave (where I able to): sovereignty, immigration.

I think it's an important symbolic victory too. It's deciding what kind of future you want to live in.

It's not like Britain is experiencing an immigration crisis.

I'm sure Britons anxious about the dramatic and historically unprecedented increase in immigration since the late 1990s will find this very reassuring.

No, voting to exit the EU won't stop that alone or by itself, but it's an emphatic vote for greater accountability from the country's political institutions.

[Simple Torture]

[Birds in Hell]

With Scotland and NI (both strong Labour footholds) possibly out of the UK equation then England and Wales face a Tory government for decades. And the poorer will only get poorer and the NHS will collapse. There will be greater disparity in housing.

This seems like hysterical catastrophising and, in any case, I very much doubt these things would be less likely under a Labour government than a Conservative one.

It was my (armchair) understanding that much of the concerns that drove Brexit are in some respects related to the unprecedented and essentially uncontrolled increase in immigration that began under Blair.

The majority of under 45 voted remain. And the under 25s especially. They've been robbed and betrayed by their own.


But this sums it up hysterically.

1. Worth considering whether with age comes a depth of wisdom unavailable to youth; and
2. I believe support for Remain among younger voters was very high but voter turnout comparatively low.

On point 2:

[96583UP]

I can't tell you how much I agree with this article. It got me rather emotional, like.
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk ... untry-back

whoa, cameron had sex with a pig?

[LetMeSleep]

whoa, cameron had sex with a pig?

Piggate" refers to an uncorroborated anecdote that during his university years British Prime Minister David Cameron put a "private part of his anatomy" into a dead pig's mouth as part of an initiation ceremony for the Piers Gaveston Society.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piggate

[96583UP]

yet another university sexual assault goes by the wayside

[Birds in Hell]

http://www.theonion.com/article/america ... der--53156

Americans Confused By System Of Government In Which Leader Would Resign After Making Terrible Decision



WASHINGTON—In the wake of Prime Minister David Cameron’s announcement that he would leave office following the United Kingdom’s vote to exit the European Union, tens of millions of Americans expressed their confusion to reporters Friday about a system of government in which a leader would resign after making a terrible decision. “Wait, so he made a really awful choice with far-reaching negative consequences and now he’s just stepping down to let someone else take over? What?” said Colorado Springs, CO resident Evan Austin, echoing the sentiments of citizens across the United States who were left struggling to understand why a democratically elected head of government would relinquish control simply because they had been shown to have made a spectacularly bad judgment call. “So he jeopardized the future of his country, and instead of spending the next several years remaining in power while trying to paper over his mistakes, he’s just gone? Where’s the part where he denies any wrongdoing or tries to blame somebody else? This is absolutely crazy.” The American public noted, however, that they completely understood the part where voters who had made a demonstrably terrible decision continued to double down on it.

[96583UP]

I can't tell you how much I agree with this article. It got me rather emotional, like.
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk ... untry-back

on a serious note though - i was thinking about some things along these lines earlier today. the whole of the idiocracy must feel validated. the soccer hooligans had their way. what is it going to be like for people who look "non-native" now? people who's last names aren't "johnson" ... ?

as an American, one of the biggest concerns I would have regarding a Trump presidency is not just what he would do if elected, because congress can always try to stymie or impeach him; but rather, what would the impact on the tenor/dialogue of the population be like? what would the social impact be? When George W Bush was in office it felt like it was impossible to have a sane conversation with a person. Everything was terror this and support your troops that and all the imbeciles were on a high horse and brought their megaphones into every room to dominate and drown out any reasonable conversation. there was goddamn endless over use of the american flag, you'd fucking see it everywhere and what it looked to represent in that era just starts to make you nauseous.

then that ended. praise obama. the tea partiers have been annoying, but they have not dominated the national discourse; and they don't have "their man" in office so as they crum-bum about in society they are less inclined to start beerhall putsching all over the place at will. having a reasonable conversation is expected. eccentric hatred and recitation of right-wing catch phrase dogma is subject to intense scrutiny at a national level.

but with Drumpf at the helm, mouth-breathers everywhere would have their day. they would rule the roost spewing nonsensical backward garbage this way and that. and it would be impossible again to have a conversation about anything sane without some loudmouth ignoramus jumping in and shitting all over everything.

i can't handle another 4 or 8 years of national witch hunt-grade dialogue

i feel terrible for the UK because the mouth-breathers appear to have won

hopefully they will go easy on the "non-natives"

[BurtReynolds]

When George W Bush was in office it felt like it was impossible to have a sane conversation with a person.

i feel terrible for the UK because the mouth-breathers appear to have won

yeah things are soooo much better now.

[Kaius]

Leave philosoraptor out of this, Burt.

God damn you.

[McParadigm]

Racist people ARE far more likely to engage when you avoid acknowledging their racism.

[Bob Loblaw]

I think that neatly captures the two main factors that would've most compelled me to vote Leave (where I able to): sovereignty, immigration.

I think it's an important symbolic victory too. It's deciding what kind of future you want to live in.

It's not like Britain is experiencing an immigration crisis.

I'm sure Britons anxious about the dramatic and historically unprecedented increase in immigration since the late 1990s will find this very reassuring.

No, voting to exit the EU won't stop that alone or by itself, but it's an emphatic vote for greater accountability from the country's political institutions.

The question is: why exactly does immigration incite so much anxiety? The overwhelming majority of research shows its effects are either null or positive to an economy and to a society. And immigrants are neither more nor less likely to be terrorists or criminals than natives. Immigration-related anxiety is driven by either misinformation, fear, or a combination thereof when adequate screening procedures are in place at the borders.

[ABNorman]

http://www.theonion.com/article/americans-confused-system-government-which-leader--53156

Americans Confused By System Of Government In Which Leader Would Resign After Making Terrible Decision



WASHINGTON—In the wake of Prime Minister David Cameron’s announcement that he would leave office following the United Kingdom’s vote to exit the European Union, tens of millions of Americans expressed their confusion to reporters Friday about a system of government in which a leader would resign after making a terrible decision. “Wait, so he made a really awful choice with far-reaching negative consequences and now he’s just stepping down to let someone else take over? What?” said Colorado Springs, CO resident Evan Austin, echoing the sentiments of citizens across the United States who were left struggling to understand why a democratically elected head of government would relinquish control simply because they had been shown to have made a spectacularly bad judgment call. “So he jeopardized the future of his country, and instead of spending the next several years remaining in power while trying to paper over his mistakes, he’s just gone? Where’s the part where he denies any wrongdoing or tries to blame somebody else? This is absolutely crazy.” The American public noted, however, that they completely understood the part where voters who had made a demonstrably terrible decision continued to double down on it.

[Bi_3]

ABNorman, all kidding aside, in a previous post you implied you were not impressed by the arguments of either side. What made you choose?