durdencommatyler wrote:In simplist terms, because although she is a great character, strong and everthing else, the film she's in does unnecessarily sexualize her as well as project themes of male dominance on her. That isn't a part of Ghostbusters at all. In addition, Ripley is on her own whereas we're seeing a team of women in Ghostbusters who don't fall victim to the typical tropes/traps that men usually put women in on film.
Interesting...there is a very cool conversation between Breat Easton Ellis and Karyn Kusama in bret´s podcast, and this subject is talked there...specially in the intro were bret talks about the ¨scandal¨ about some guy writing about Sky Ferrira´s tits.
This whole gender talk with this movie remind me of that Joey...you should check it out.
durdencommatyler wrote:In simplist terms, because although she is a great character, strong and everthing else, the film she's in does unnecessarily sexualize her as well as project themes of male dominance on her. That isn't a part of Ghostbusters at all. In addition, Ripley is on her own whereas we're seeing a team of women in Ghostbusters who don't fall victim to the typical tropes/traps that men usually put women in on film.
Interesting...there is a very cool conversation between Breat Easton Ellis and Karyn Kusama in bret´s podcast, and this subject is talked there...specially in the intro were bret talks about the ¨scandal¨ about some guy writing about Sky Ferrira´s tits.
This whole gender talk with this movie remind me of that Joey...you should check it out.
Thanks for the heads up, man. I have a hard time with BEE but I'll maybe give this a go.
VG, I was only able to listen to the first half hour of that BEE episode. So much to talk about. So much to disagree with. I wish this was a place to have that conversation.
durdencommatyler wrote:Because I know you're all just dying to know (hahahahaha)....
I really enjoyed the movie. Not only is it actually a good movie -- yes, there is some cheese and cringy moments; it's not flawless by any means -- but it's also an important movie. I've never seen a major Hollywood film that portrayed women and their relationships this way. They aren't sexualized but they kick all kinds of ass. They don't cry while eating ice cream and dream about boys. They are smart, action hero, women who drive the plot and save the world.
It's absolutely better than Ghostbuseters 2. I don't like it as much as the original, but a lot of that has to do with the fact that it's a recycled idea. But the cast is great. KM, especially. The soundtrack is fun. The visuals are great. It's a unique tone and vibe and style of humor so it manages to seperate itself from while celebrating the original.
If you care at all about how women are depicted on screen in major Hollywood Blockbuster cinema, I'd strongly suggest you go see the movie. Like it, love it, hate it. It's important that you go and see it. This movie could be a big turning point.
Here's a post I shared on Facebook from a women (Erynn Brook) whom I don't know but says it better than I just did (and I borrowed a bit from her).
I have to say something, I have to, because for the first time in my life I felt something that I had never felt before. I sat in that theatre and though I've been watching movies my entire life I saw and felt something completely new.
It started about an hour in when it really began to sink in that I was watching women being funny, quirky, hysterical even, but not cute. Just hilarious.
Then I noticed that they weren't talking about guys. Not much, a bit here and there, a little joke about Chris Hemsworth peppered in like seasoning, but it wasn't hours of 4 women fighting over him or trying to figure out why they weren't married yet.
And then, the fight sequence at the end. Kate McKinnon just... I sat there gaping. She was badass, WITHOUT BEING SEXUALIZED. She was a woman in coveralls and combat boots with no cleavage or hourglass figure in sight fucking kicking ass and it was so awesome and amazing and for the first time in almost 30 years I saw a woman doing something badass without also being sexy at the same time.
When action sequences always sexualize women, women grow up learning that the things they do are only important if they look good doing them.
I'm almost 30 and last night was the first time I saw a movie where a woman fucking did a thing and was funny without crying into a pint of ice cream and was badass without being a pinup and all I could think was... I really didn't know that was an option. I really didn't know you could save the world without looking like you're trying to pose for Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Edition at the same time. I have never, in 30 years, seen a major movie that didn't reinforce the message that how I look is more important than what I do.
30 years is way too long.
And that's why it matters.
Go see Ghostbusters. Love it, hate it, I don't care. Go see Ghostbusters. It matters.
was your wife glaring at you as you dutifully typed out this post?
durdencommatyler wrote:VG, I was only able to listen to the first half hour of that BEE episode. So much to talk about. So much to disagree with. I wish this was a place to have that conversation.
I really didn't like that episode. I love BEE but I sometimes I rrrrrreally disagree with him.
durdencommatyler wrote:VG, I was only able to listen to the first half hour of that BEE episode. So much to talk about. So much to disagree with. I wish this was a place to have that conversation.
Yeah, that would be an interesting conversation.
LoathedVermin72 wrote:
durdencommatyler wrote:VG, I was only able to listen to the first half hour of that BEE episode. So much to talk about. So much to disagree with. I wish this was a place to have that conversation.
I really didn't like that episode. I love BEE but I sometimes I rrrrrreally disagree with him.
I loved it. Once again, even if i dont agree he is the one of the few people out there with some edge.