Temple of the Dog - 25 Years

doone · Post by **doone** » Mon August 01, 2016 12:00 pm

I googled; Ticketmaster owns Tickets Now. (Which I think should be a conflict of interest.)

Ebay owns Stubhub.

commo · Post by **commo** » Mon August 01, 2016 12:04 pm

We can all buy our own bot for $1k

daft twat · Post by **daft twat** » Mon August 01, 2016 12:19 pm

commo wrote:We can all buy our own bot for $1k

Well, I'll ask the impossible. Anyone with an extra pair for night 1 in Seattle, I'm interested.

CopperTom · Post by **CopperTom** » Mon August 01, 2016 11:44 pm

I believe some RMers use something like that. They had a 10C homebrew one too. No wonder the 10C site crashed repeatedly during sales.

Bi_3 · Post by **Bi_3** » Mon August 01, 2016 11:57 pm

CopperTom wrote:I believe some RMers use something like that. They had a 10C homebrew one too. No wonder the 10C site crashed repeatedly during sales.

Lol, nothing like that my friend.

Post by **96583UP** » Tue August 02, 2016 1:06 am

maybe eddie "my friends call me ed" snowden and his russian entourage are PJ fans

that could explain the RM server meltdown a while back

Post by **Bammer** » Tue August 02, 2016 2:21 am

CopperTom wrote:I believe some RMers use something like that. They had a 10C homebrew one too. No wonder the 10C site crashed repeatedly during sales.

I'm still not quite ready to tell the world how I got into the Benaroya show - but if you want in, there is always a way.

Norah · Post by **Norah** » Tue August 02, 2016 2:22 am

Bammer wrote:
CopperTom wrote:I believe some RMers use something like that. They had a 10C homebrew one too. No wonder the 10C site crashed repeatedly during sales.

I'm still not quite ready to tell the world how I got into the Benaroya show - but if you want in, there is always a way.

You sucked off Pete, head of security, right?

Post by **Bammer** » Tue August 02, 2016 4:16 am

cutuphalfdead wrote:
Bammer wrote:
CopperTom wrote:I believe some RMers use something like that. They had a 10C homebrew one too. No wonder the 10C site crashed repeatedly during sales.

I'm still not quite ready to tell the world how I got into the Benaroya show - but if you want in, there is always a way.
You sucked off Pete, head of security, right?

Not one of your better efforts there

Bi_3 · Post by **Bi_3** » Tue August 02, 2016 1:12 pm

The reason the 10c ticket sales failed so often was not because of "bots". It was because the sales website was shitty. As soon as the direct URL was identified it was posted here or on the pit and so their stupid 'hide the Buy button when tickets were gone' trick didnt stop people from hammering the system for hours. Plus the band had 2x as many 10cers (the wave of second accounts and 'spouse' accounts as members got older and married added to this) for smaller and smaller tours with more fans being able to try for tickets across multiple devices at once and the fans being older, had money to travel to more shows and didn't want to miss what they feared would be 'the last tour'. After Philly 05, the sysadmins there should have gotten a clue, but they failed to plan for high traffic events again and again (When they moved to AWS they didn't even 'pre-warm' their systems to handle ticket sales days). They have no one to blame but themselves for that.

Scalping bots, like the screen shot above, are an entirely different scale and story. Thousands of virtual machines running bots cannot be beaten other than by luck or if one of them fails to complete the transaction for the ticket purchase. The only way to stop this is to hamper the resale process by making it difficult to transfer the tickets, but since TM/LiveNation has no financial motivation to do that (the opposite in fact), we are all probably screwed.

bodysnatcher · Post by **bodysnatcher** » Tue August 02, 2016 6:17 pm

I just don't go to large show anymore

Gimme an awesome local band that I give $10 to at the door and call it a night.

Post by **96583UP** » Wed August 03, 2016 12:03 am

welp it seems like shitty reloading for 2 hours on the fanclub website is more likely to get tickets in the hands of fans

i spent 2 hours on TM to get 2 tix to MSG behind the stage

i realize scalpers can join 10C but there is still a barrier to multiple accounts in the form of the annual fee

this is worse than the TM scenario that young/idealistic PJ argued against

this is a 10X markup for decent seats, on top of the TM fees

someone better put some fixin on this

Bi_3 · Post by **Bi_3** » Wed August 03, 2016 12:34 am

What's surprising is how much easier the lottery is to manipulate. Imagine 4 people in NYC that want GA tickets at MSG. If they all enter, only 2 of them need to win for everyone to attend. Now imagine these people had roommates (pretty common there) and or spouse/partners and a few good friends who worked in Manhattan. You could easily get to the point where 20+ lottery entries were solely for 4 people to get tickets. If they won an extra pair, the secondary market resell would pay for the whole process for the next few years or could be traded for tickets to other shows.

If they really want to stop the bullshit, they need to stop the secondary market.

Post by **96583UP** » Wed August 03, 2016 1:37 am

but the 10-friend thing would constrain the bot people. you still have to pick them up with an ID. and then hand them off. That's enough barriers to entry versus the bot people, which are primarily lonely chronic masturbators. they don't have friends. and they probably don't want 20 copies of Santa Cruz arriving at their doorstep every Xmas.

Bi_3 · Post by **Bi_3** » Wed August 03, 2016 2:08 am

96583UP wrote:but the 10-friend thing would constrain the bot people. you still have to pick them up with an ID. and then hand them off. That's enough barriers to entry versus the bot people, which are primarily lonely chronic masturbators. they don't have friends. and they probably don't want 20 copies of Santa Cruz arriving at their doorstep every Xmas.

define "chronic"...

Post by **Bammer** » Wed August 03, 2016 4:21 am

Bi_3 wrote:
96583UP wrote:but the 10-friend thing would constrain the bot people. you still have to pick them up with an ID. and then hand them off. That's enough barriers to entry versus the bot people, which are primarily lonely chronic masturbators. they don't have friends. and they probably don't want 20 copies of Santa Cruz arriving at their doorstep every Xmas.
define "chronic"...

And stop spreading this venom. We all know good and well that Santa Cruz isn't arriving until May at the earliest.

commo · Post by **commo** » Wed August 03, 2016 8:39 pm

I was told U2 does wristbands for shows, have to pickup with ID
Never been so I can't confirm but that sounds legit

bodysnatcher · Post by **bodysnatcher** » Tue August 09, 2016 5:31 pm

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/ ... ur-w433291

Birds in Hell · Post by **Birds in Hell** » Tue August 09, 2016 9:04 pm

bodysnatcher wrote:http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/ ... ur-w433291

"The quarter-inch tapes got lost," says Ament. "The only way we could've used the original mixes would have been pulling it off a CD, which would have been inferior. Brendan really didn't mess with the levels, but he just pulled back a bit on the effects and reverb. The new mix is just a bit crisper. The way we listen to music is so different than 25 years ago. People have gotten used to so much clarity on the top end, and I think he really brought a lot of that out."

This is going to sound terrible, isn't it?

surfndestroy · Post by **surfndestroy** » Tue August 09, 2016 9:18 pm

Birds in Hell wrote:
bodysnatcher wrote:http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/ ... ur-w433291

"The quarter-inch tapes got lost," says Ament. "The only way we could've used the original mixes would have been pulling it off a CD, which would have been inferior. Brendan really didn't mess with the levels, but he just pulled back a bit on the effects and reverb. The new mix is just a bit crisper. The way we listen to music is so different than 25 years ago. People have gotten used to so much clarity on the top end, and I think he really brought a lot of that out."
This is going to sound terrible, isn't it?

I don't understand this need for musical revisionism. If you want it to sound updated, play it live. Leave the original alone.

Red Mosquito

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