Crucify the Insincere: A Smashing Pumpkins Thread

[tragabigzanda]

[Jorge]

It's a shame Billy despises Paz and Pajo so much. There was potential there.

[Kevin Davis]

I like the Zwan record better than anything the Pumpkins did post-"Aeroplane." A great album.

[bada]

Yeah I loved Zwan. Its been a while.

[Birds in Hell]

I've never heard any of the Zwan stuff, maybe I'll pick the album up if I find a cheap copy.

[Simple Torture]

**remembers how great Zwan was, checks prices for their LP**

$90. Shit.

[Birds in Hell]

I checked and I can pick up the CD for $1.99, so at least one of us is happy.

[Simple Torture]

Does the down under edition include the DVD, too? There were some non-album songs on there that I liked.

[Birds in Hell]

I have no idea, sorry.

I usually try to avoid albums with bonus tracks, DVDs, etc. where I can.

I prefer to have that stuff separate, as a download or something, and keep the album as just the album.

[Simple Torture]

It was just in a regular jewel case, so it wouldn't have gotten in the way or anything. But if it doesn't come with your edition and you're interested, it's on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yassKn6SBRA

[Simple Torture]

I forgot Matt Sweeney was in Zwan. I love his work with Bonnie Billy.

[matt reeder]

I've never heard any of the Zwan stuff, maybe I'll pick the album up if I find a cheap copy.

The CD was mastered in a way that is utterly horrifying. You'll hate it. There are some great songs from this era, and the 2001-2002 period of Zwan is generally considered one of Billy's finest hours when it comes to songwriting...but he abandoned a lot of those songs (I'm guessing due to label pressure, or something) and the Zwan album is not very representative of the quality of the band.

There are a few unofficial box sets out there of the best Zwan stuff. I'll upload a couple of them in a bit.

Edit:

If you want to listen a bit, I recommend the following bootlegs:

* 11/16/2001: Pomona, CA (first show): https://archive.org/details/zwan2001-11-16.mk4.flac16
* 4/07/2002: St. Louis, MO: https://archive.org/details/zwan2002-04-07.shnf
* 2/08/2003: Paris, France [acoustic]: https://archive.org/details/zwan2003-02-08.flac16
* 2/14/2003: Maida Vale Studios: https://archive.org/details/zwan2003-02-14.fm.flac16
* 6/13/2003: St. Poelten, Austria (final show): https://archive.org/details/zwan2003-06-13.fm.flac

Recommended songs: Jesus I, Mary Star of the Sea, A New Poetry, Endless Summer, Spilled Milk, Riverview

[Kevin Davis]

I didn't realize Zwan had any songs apart from the album. I'd definitely be interested in hearing that stuff.

[matt reeder]

I didn't realize Zwan had any songs apart from the album. I'd definitely be interested in hearing that stuff.

There's like 60 or 70. Enough for a 4-5 CD boxset, which may happen at some point.

[matt reeder]

I didn't realize Zwan had any songs apart from the album. I'd definitely be interested in hearing that stuff.

Kevin, I assume you may have been at this show? https://archive.org/details/zwan2003-03-31.flac16

[tragabigzanda]

[Kevin Davis]

I didn't realize Zwan had any songs apart from the album. I'd definitely be interested in hearing that stuff.

There's like 60 or 70. Enough for a 4-5 CD boxset, which may happen at some point.

Studio recordings, or live audience tapes?

[matt reeder]

This is a song that never got released officially; it was on the soundtrack of a movie called Spun. I've been waiting for some sort of lossless version of this to surface for years and I'm beginning to think it won't ever happen.

[matt reeder]

I didn't realize Zwan had any songs apart from the album. I'd definitely be interested in hearing that stuff.

There's like 60 or 70. Enough for a 4-5 CD boxset, which may happen at some point.

Studio recordings, or live audience tapes?

Nobody knows for sure but I'd be shocked if there weren't studio or demo recordings of every single song. If not 10 recordings of every song. Plus tons of live versions, rehearsal tapes, etc. Billy recorded everything.

[Simple Torture]

I didn't realize Zwan had any songs apart from the album. I'd definitely be interested in hearing that stuff.

There's like 60 or 70. Enough for a 4-5 CD boxset, which may happen at some point.

Studio recordings, or live audience tapes?

Nobody knows for sure but I'd be shocked if there weren't studio or demo recordings of every single song. If not 10 recordings of every song. Plus tons of live versions, rehearsal tapes, etc. Billy recorded everything.

There can't be the same label hang-ups for Zwan that's plaguing the Machina reissue, right? I'm sort of surprised Billy doesn't skip Machina (sad face) and head straight to Zwan for a big box set.