Will he be a Hall of Famer?

[Bammer]

A Rod?

[Simple Torture]

A Rod?

This one is easy: if the voting culture changes, yes; otherwise, no.

I don't know when and if that sea change will occur. I know there are some writers who are very vocal about the fact that they're fine voting for PED users--I probably would be, too--but it doesn't seem to be a high percentage.

[MattA75]

A Rod?

Hell no

[lennytheweedwhacker]

A Rod?

Hell no

how about david ortiz?

[Green Habit]

A Rod?

This one is easy: if the voting culture changes, yes; otherwise, no.

I don't know when and if that sea change will occur. I know there are some writers who are very vocal about the fact that they're fine voting for PED users--I probably would be, too--but it doesn't seem to be a high percentage.

From what I've read, it seems like once more Boomers are replaced with Xers, the voting culture you mention will happen.

[philpritchard]

A Rod?

This one is easy: if the voting culture changes, yes; otherwise, no.

I don't know when and if that sea change will occur. I know there are some writers who are very vocal about the fact that they're fine voting for PED users--I probably would be, too--but it doesn't seem to be a high percentage.

It'll change when a bunch of old guys die.

[MattA75]

A Rod?

Hell no

how about david ortiz?

I'm a yes on Ortiz and I'll admit I'm fully biased on him...it's almost impossible to be a Red Sox fan and not be biased with regards to him

[Bammer]

A Rod?

This one is easy: if the voting culture changes, yes; otherwise, no.

I don't know when and if that sea change will occur. I know there are some writers who are very vocal about the fact that they're fine voting for PED users--I probably would be, too--but it doesn't seem to be a high percentage.

From what I've read, it seems like once more Boomers are replaced with Xers, the voting culture you mention will happen.

Unless I'm a total fucking idiot (opened the door there, didn't I) ... a retired player only has so many years worth of votes and then they come off the ballot for good. So this change would have to occur significantly in, what, 20 years from now if he retires this year? Something like that? 5 year waiting period then 15 years on the ballot?

[MattA75]

A Rod?

This one is easy: if the voting culture changes, yes; otherwise, no.

I don't know when and if that sea change will occur. I know there are some writers who are very vocal about the fact that they're fine voting for PED users--I probably would be, too--but it doesn't seem to be a high percentage.

From what I've read, it seems like once more Boomers are replaced with Xers, the voting culture you mention will happen.

Unless I'm a total fucking idiot (opened the door there, didn't I) ... a retired player only has so many years worth of votes and then they come off the ballot for good. So this change would have to occur significantly in, what, 20 years from now if he retires this year? Something like that? 5 year waiting period then 15 years on the ballot?

15 years on the ballot assuming you receive the right percentage (whatever it is) to stay on year after year

[Simple Torture]

A Rod?

This one is easy: if the voting culture changes, yes; otherwise, no.

I don't know when and if that sea change will occur. I know there are some writers who are very vocal about the fact that they're fine voting for PED users--I probably would be, too--but it doesn't seem to be a high percentage.

From what I've read, it seems like once more Boomers are replaced with Xers, the voting culture you mention will happen.

Unless I'm a total fucking idiot (opened the door there, didn't I) ... a retired player only has so many years worth of votes and then they come off the ballot for good. So this change would have to occur significantly in, what, 20 years from now if he retires this year? Something like that? 5 year waiting period then 15 years on the ballot?

15 years on the ballot assuming you receive the right percentage (whatever it is) to stay on year after year

If I'm not mistaken, the bar is ridiculously low--like 5% to stay on the ballot. And I'm pretty sure they just reduced the years you can stay on the ballot to ten, but if your first year on the ballot was before the change, you can stay on for 15.

[lennytheweedwhacker]

A Rod?

Hell no

how about david ortiz?

I'm a yes on Ortiz and I'll admit I'm fully biased on him...it's almost impossible to be a Red Sox fan and not be biased with regards to him

realistically, what do you think his offensive numbers would like if he did have to field a position for the majority of each season?

[epilogue]

I still read the title of this thread as "Who will be a Hog Farmer." Every. Time.

[@SkitchP]

A Rod?

This one is easy: if the voting culture changes, yes; otherwise, no.

I don't know when and if that sea change will occur. I know there are some writers who are very vocal about the fact that they're fine voting for PED users--I probably would be, too--but it doesn't seem to be a high percentage.

From what I've read, it seems like once more Boomers are replaced with Xers, the voting culture you mention will happen.

Unless I'm a total fucking idiot (opened the door there, didn't I) ... a retired player only has so many years worth of votes and then they come off the ballot for good. So this change would have to occur significantly in, what, 20 years from now if he retires this year? Something like that? 5 year waiting period then 15 years on the ballot?

15 years on the ballot assuming you receive the right percentage (whatever it is) to stay on year after year

If I'm not mistaken, the bar is ridiculously low--like 5% to stay on the ballot. And I'm pretty sure they just reduced the years you can stay on the ballot to ten, but if your first year on the ballot was before the change, you can stay on for 15.

Yet somehow a guy like Lou Whitaker who should be in, didnt stay on past the first ballot.

[MattA75]

A Rod?

Hell no

how about david ortiz?

I'm a yes on Ortiz and I'll admit I'm fully biased on him...it's almost impossible to be a Red Sox fan and not be biased with regards to him

realistically, what do you think his offensive numbers would like if he did have to field a position for the majority of each season?

I don't think he would've lasted, he can barely do what he does now

but that's sort of beside the point...if the guy is good enough I don't think he should be punished for "just" being a DH...same with Edgar Martinez

[Norah]

Yeah DH is a valid position in the American League. The two best ever to play that position should be in the Hall of Fame.

[E.H. Ruddock]

Guess Darren Sharper won't be

[Green Habit]

Guess Darren Sharper won't be

Good thing there's enough safeties (Dawkins, Lynch, Atwater, Reed, Polamalu) that played when he did to push him into the Hall of Very Good zone on football merits alone.

[Green Habit]

Morten Andersen
Tony Boselli
Isaac Bruce
Don Coryell
Terrell Davis
Brian Dawkins
Alan Faneca
Joe Jacoby
Ty Law
John Lynch
Kevin Mawae
Terrell Owens
Jason Taylor
LaDainian Tomlinson
Kurt Warner

I'll take TD, LDT, Warner, Bruce and Taylor. Who you got?

[Green Habit]

Also, given their recent retirements, we should think about Steve Smith (7th all time receiving) and Robert Mathis (17th all time in sacks).

[E.H. Ruddock]

Hope John Lynch gets in there one day