It's Not TV; It's HBO: The Night Of (Miniseries)

[spike]

i was talking with a friend and came to the idea that naz will get off this time, due to some of the flubs hinted at last night, but'll then end up actually killing someone on the outside anyway, as the system has nurtured his violent side. the show ends with him being shipped off to rikers again.

[patrick]

i was talking with a friend and came to the idea that naz will get off this time, due to some of the flubs hinted at last night, but'll then end up actually killing someone on the outside anyway, as the system has nurtured his violent side. the show ends with him being shipped off to rikers again.

I agree. It'll be some variation of this, or he'll be in debt to Freddie. And can a dude ever explain away knuckle tatts?

[dimejinky99]

I think the situation with Freddie and all that in the latest one is going to be the 'message'.

It's all been heavy handed message stuff about people/police/judicial systems treatment of minorities, now we're seeing Nas being corrupted and brought under prison 'justice' and how that will come back on him in the next one. I don't see Freddie letting him away with being honest about the other two guys. He'll be furious once he's thought on it and realises this new guy has lost him two trusted soldiers. Can't see Nas making it out of prison alive. Hello final big message.

[Dscans]

Fantastic stuff last night. I'm continually impressed by how this show keeps laughing at the ways we've been conditioned to watch cop/court shows--for weeks, we've been debating what the magic bullet would be, i.e. the piece of evidence that would either exonerate or damn Nas. But everything's been presented at trial, and we're really no closer to knowing what the verdict will be. The only thing that hasn't been presented, I'd say, is anything about Andrea's step father. Is Stone saving that for his closing? I love how the preview for next week's episode gave very few hints about what's going to happen next week. Can't wait!

Spoiler: show

the kiss was dumb and unnecessary though. if it's just a way for her to get off the case and for stone to take over and shine at the eleventh hour, it'll be even dumber.

Spoiler: show

I've read a lot of people who were upset with the kiss. It was a dumb, dumb move on Chandra's part. Really her only blemish this season. But each character has made a mistake so far. This was hers. I think that's kind of the point. Even the most rational and stoic among us can succumb to emotion.

[Simple Torture]

The kiss was very weird; what was especially odd was that it was peppered with flashbacks that are obviously Naz's memories even though the scene seemed to be from Chandra's point-of-view. It's one of the few really poor editing choices in the series, I think.

But when it comes to it as a character moment, I'm willing to reserve judgment. There have been a number of times where the show has sprung character backstory on us with intriguing results, where usually I'd just groan and say, "Come on!" The most obvious example is of course Naz. He was painted by his parents (and, to an extent, by himself) as a "good kid" for 4-5 episodes, and then suddenly we start learning that there are things that have been left unsaid: violent outbursts, selling pills, etc. At first, it seems like a contradiction, but when you dig into it, this still jive's with Naz's self image: the violence was a survival strategy not even worth telling his attorney about, and selling Adderall is just something stupid kids do. This is why I slightly disagree with people who keep talking about Naz changing in prison: I think it's more of a change of degree than a change in how he views and operates in the face of adversity. Chandra's obviously got something bubbling up under the surface, and we may never get the backstory, but I think Dscans is right that it's just meant to sit there and humanize her, not to be a shocking revelation.

[Dscans]

The kiss was very weird; what was especially odd was that it was peppered with flashbacks that are obviously Naz's memories even though the scene seemed to be from Chandra's point-of-view. It's one of the few really poor editing choices in the series, I think.

But when it comes to it as a character moment, I'm willing to reserve judgment. There have been a number of times where the show has sprung character backstory on us with intriguing results, where usually I'd just groan and say, "Come on!" The most obvious example is of course Naz. He was painted by his parents (and, to an extent, by himself) as a "good kid" for 4-5 episodes, and then suddenly we start learning that there are things that have been left unsaid: violent outbursts, selling pills, etc. At first, it seems like a contradiction, but when you dig into it, this still jive's with Naz's self image: the violence was a survival strategy not even worth telling his attorney about, and selling Adderall is just something stupid kids do. This is why I slightly disagree with people who keep talking about Naz changing in prison: I think it's more of a change of degree than a change in how he views and operates in the face of adversity. Chandra's obviously got something bubbling up under the surface, and we may never get the backstory, but I think Dscans is right that it's just meant to sit there and humanize her, not to be a shocking revelation.

Two things:
I'm suprised the defense didn't spin the adderall thing as an example of a poor kid trying to pay his way through college. Especially since it was his prescription; he was the one making the sacrifice. (Plus the DA's shitty interpretation of "business." The markup is nothing when it comes to value. $10 a pop is only outrageous if you can find it cheaper elsewhere.)

I need to rewatch the first episode again but it makes more sense now when I think of Naz' reaction to Bodie's islamophobia. Naz is presented as passive so far but when he turns around and asks "what did you say?" it was his Marty McFly/chicken moment. Islamaphobia seems to be the one area where he becomes defensive.

[Simple Torture]

Agreed about the Naz/Bodie moment. If Andrea hadn't grabbed him, he probably would've tried to take them both on.

[Bammer]

That kiss felt like a dream sequence for a bit, and then when turned out to be real ...

Dumb. Almost as dumb as Sinbad knuckle tats.

[Simple Torture]

On The Watch today, they said the finale is going be 90 minutes; hold onto your butts.

[Bammer]

finale is going be 90 minutes

Good.

[Dscans]

hold onto your butts.

better

[Bammer]

On The Watch today.

Best

[tragabigzanda]

Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.

[VinylGuy]

We're halfway through the first ep, it's a struggle for me to take this seriously. Should we keep going?

Yes.

[Norah]

Loved the ending.

[daft twat]

We're halfway through the first ep, it's a struggle for me to take this seriously. Should we keep going?

Yes.

I'd go the other way on this. Turturro is excellent, but it's slow and there really isn't much to it.

[VinylGuy]

Loved the ending.

Ill see it tomorrow but im already psyched about it.

[Simple Torture]

Loved the ending.

Ill see it tomorrow but im already psyched about it.

I can't believe that it was the crime scene photographer that did it.

[Simple Torture]

There's a theory among book readers that Andrea's soul passed into the cat and that she's been trying to give Stone clues all along.

[daft twat]

Loved the ending.

You can spoiler it, but which part?

Spoiler: show

The final shot with the cat was great, but the ending itself was just miserable. Nas's relationship with his mother is forever destroyed. He's an addict. His female lawyer lost her career. Turturro is back to doing shit lawyer jobs. The detective in retirement is basically waiting to die. It was all very realistic, I guess, but I wasn't entertained. I was just bummed out.