Pearl Jam - Definitive Live Versions (a Green Habit sequel)

[Wendy Carlos's Twin]

Also, as a general note, I think deference should be given to songs played closest to the year in which they were recorded, so, for example, if there is a 2016 version of a song from Ten (yeah right) that would be tied with a version from '92, the '92 version should be used.

Yup. That is likely to be a major problem, which is why I think the set should be split into 3 eras.

[Kevin Davis]

Is the concern that some kind of democratic majority is going to lock us into using a lesser version of a song? I think the solution to this is simple: Brad or someone else who knows what the hell they're talking about gets some kind of final veto power, in case the consensus-forming prowess of the masses lets us down. I got the impression that the spreadsheets were more of an easy way to make suggestions anyway, not necessarily a ballot.

I tend to agree with Brad that three different comps all lumped under the heading of one project seems a bit cumbersome, and I can't help but wonder if we really have enough quality source material to make the early eras (the Jack era especially) worthwhile. For instance -- assuming the drummers dictate the division lines -- the Jack comp would be taken from five shows (if we're sticking with soundboards), and only two of those shows post-date "No Code" while only one post-dates "Yield." It seems like we barely have enough from those years to adequately represent that era on a career-focused collection, let alone a more in-depth, period-focused one.(Note to PJHQ: WE NEED MORE JACK SHOWS).

[tragabigzanda]

pearl jam sucks now

[Kevin Davis]

I appreciate that this inspires awe rather than pity, Trag.

[E.H. Ruddock]

I'm listening to the Japan tour compilation right now and there are some gems not to be overlooked from that part of the tour...

[Kevin Davis]

I'm listening to the Japan tour compilation right now and there are some gems not to be overlooked from that part of the tour...

Oh yeah, I already suggested "Can't Keep" from Tokyo. The only choice, IMO, good as some of the US ones are.

I also think an Ed solo portion of the comp featuring:

Dead Man from Prague '06
Gone from Atlantic City '05
Last Kiss from Osaka '03

would be damn fine, rally though I did against using any Ed solo covers. Maybe work "Bee Girl" into that chunk as well.

Does Jeff accompany Ed on "Dead Man" live?

[hlniv]

The version of Black from the Japan comp needs to be considered. It always stands out to me....

[hlniv]

As far as drummers go -

Songs that should be Dave performances-
Release
Porch
Go
Whipping
Rearviewmirror
Tremor Christ

Songs that should be Jack performances-
In My Tree
Given to Fly
Off He Goes
Blood
I Got Shit
Leaving Here
Animal

[parasolmonster]

I prefer as much Dave A and Jack as possible. My only suggestions are:

Blood - Berlin '96
Spin the Black Circle - Chicago '94

[matt reeder]

My personal favorites from the first three albums (more later):

TEN
Once - 10/06/1991 Hollywood
Evenflow - any version from early 1992
Alive - 6/08/1992 Pinkpop
Why Go - any version from early 1992
Black - MTV Unplugged
Jeremy - MTV Video Music Awards, 9/09/1992
Oceans - MTV Unplugged
Porch - St. Petersburg, 3/29/1994 (or Atlanta 1994 if you're only doing soundboards)
Garden - Atlanta, 4/03/1994
Deep - Las Vegas, 11/30/1993 (the definitive version)
Release - San Francisco, 7/18/2006

VS
Go - Any 1993/1994 version, especially Las Vegas 11/30/1993 (or Lo2L)
Animal - Any 1993/1994 version, especially Las Vegas 11/30/1993
Daughter - Jones Beach 8/24/2000
Glorified G - Atlanta, 4/03/1994
Dissident - Tulsa, 10/08/2014
W.M.A. - Atlanta, 4/03/1994
Blood - Indio, 11/05/1993
Rearviewmirror - Saratoga, 8/27/2000 (or: SNL, 4/16/1994; San Diego, 10/25/2000; Berlin, 9/23/2006)
Rats - Boston, 4/12/1994
Small Town - meh
Leash - Pinkpop, 6/08/1992
Indifference - any version pre-1995

VITALOGY
Last Exit - Melbourne, 3/17/1995
Spin the Black Circle - Melbourne, 3/05/1998
Not For You - Melbourne, 3/11/1998 (or Hartford, 10/02/1996, or SNL 1994, or Self-Pollution Radio)
Tremor Christ - Melbourne, 3/17/1995
Nothingman - Milan, 6/22/2000 (or Monkeywrench Radio, if you're counting that)
Whipping - St. Louis, 10/11/2000
Corduroy - Melbourne, 3/05/1998
Bugs - Philadelphia, 10/31/2009
Betterman - Boise, 11/03/2000
Immortality - Melbourne, 3/05/1998

1990-1994 B-SIDES:
Brother - Chicago, 8/24/2009
Wash - Hollywood, 10/06/1991
Breath - Charlotte, 4/16/2003
State of Love and Trust - Amsterdam, 2/12/1992
Alone - any early version
Dirty Frank - Boston, 4/12/1994 or Gorge, 7/22/2006
Hard to Imagine - Chicago, 8/24/2009 (or the AOL Sessions version)
Hold On - Auckland, 11/27/2009
Angel - Bridge Benefit, 11/01/1992
Let Me Sleep - Seattle, 12/06/2013
Footsteps - Zurich, 6/18/1992
Yellow Ledbetter - Mesa, 11/06/1993
Also:
Fuck Me In My Brain - Indio, 11/05/1993
Out of My Mind - Atlanta, 4/02/1994

[ridleybradout]

Awesome list Matt, a lot of overlap with my own personal favourites and some other great suggestions I hadn't considered

[Kevin Davis]

Definitely agree with "Go" and "Animal" from Vegas, "Once" from Hollywood, and "Blood" from Indio. "WMA" from Atlanta is a go by default, but I do wish we had a version without the guest vocalist -- are the versions from this year any good?

Gotta vote against "Wash" from Hollywood -- surely we can find one where the equipment doesn't fail in the third verse (it's a shame Hamburg and Barcelona '96 don't exist in soundboard form). Same with "Black" from Unplugged -- there are a zillion versions of this, surely we can find a good version without a lyric flub. (I think the Unplugged version is a little hurr-durr-y for my tastes anyway, but I realize a lot of people really revere this performance.)

[ridleybradout]

How will this discussion be organized?

It looks like people aren't really vibing with the 'fill in the spreadsheet' idea

Don't let that discourage anyone who is completing one bit by bit, it will speed up the whole process and get your picks closer to the front of the nomination list

I think after a good chunk of suggestions come in I prepare a shortlist and we do it album by album to come up with some kind of consensus.

Do the Evolution from LO2L always felt like the definitive version to me. You can't beat that scream at the end.
Footsteps - Memphis 2000
Daughter - tough to argue with Jones Beach, but I'd like to put Milan 2000 and West Palm 2003 up for consideration

Agree with all of these - LO2L DTE is as good as it gets. For some reason GH excluded any LO2L tracks (and any other officially released tracks by the looks of it, apart from official boots) but we won't be doing that this time as we simply want the best version out there.

I've gone with Given to Fly and Hail Hail from LO2L too

I really like Milan 2000 Daughter - they played it exceptionally well that tour, and this version has a great crowd vibe, is tagless, but has an awesome call and response (before it became tired).

I might be wrong, but I think this is the first time Ed did the "oh-o-oh, oh-o-oh, oh-o-oh-OH-oh-o-oh' chant (the one nearly every audience has intitiated itself since around 2006) - can anyone confirm?

[matt reeder]

Definitely agree with "Go" and "Animal" from Vegas, "Once" from Hollywood, and "Blood" from Indio. "WMA" from Atlanta is a go by default, but I do wish we had a version without the guest vocalist -- are the versions from this year any good?

I thought Greenville was pretty good, but they just aren't the same as the early versions.

Gotta vote against "Wash" from Hollywood -- surely we can find one where the equipment doesn't fail in the third verse (it's a shame Hamburg and Barcelona '96 don't exist in soundboard form). Same with "Black" from Unplugged -- there are a zillion versions of this, surely we can find a good version without a lyric flub. (I think the Unplugged version is a little hurr-durr-y for my tastes anyway, but I realize a lot of people really revere this performance.)

I think I was thinking of the 2/12/1992 version of "Wash" instead. And yes, you are right.

[ridleybradout]

Spenno has been a conspicuous absentee from this thread - I'm hoping this means he is diligently filling in his spreadsheet

[Birds in Hell]

I think Black is one of the few early period songs that's been best performed in the Matt era.

Pistoia '06 has always been a favourite of mine, though I'd need to check out a few 2000 tour versions before committing to that being the best.

[E.H. Ruddock]

Yeah black from unplugged isn't that good. And I'm pushing hard for the YL from Tibetan Freedom concert

[ridleybradout]

Yeah black from unplugged isn't that good. And I'm pushing hard for the YL from Tibetan Freedom concert

I totally back a 2006 Black. Marseille is another good one, will have to compare with Pistoia which I also remember being top-shelf.

I love the TFC YL as well, but I think we should be sticking to full-band versions performed at PJ shows. Mesa 93 suggested by Matt (from the Daughter single) is a fantastic Dave A era choice. There are also some great 2003 and 2006 versions.

[Norah]

TFC YL or GTFO

[numbers]

Man, I want to get deep into this.