Sharing Cinematic Values #1: durdencommatyler

[Kaius]

Cooking/creating food is without a doubt no less an art form than making music or film or painting or whatever.

[tragabigzanda]

Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.

[epilogue]

Cooking/creating food is without a doubt no less an art form than making music or film or painting or whatever.

Could not disagree more.

[Strat]

Cooking/creating food is without a doubt no less an art form than making music or film or painting or whatever.

Yea. Consider how many amateur musicians there are now due to the proliferation of Garageband and the like. Food has basically been dealing with that forever: a very small number of exceptionally-talented artists, and millions of amateurs.

what did you just call me?

[tragabigzanda]

Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.

[epilogue]

Cooking/creating food is without a doubt no less an art form than making music or film or painting or whatever.

Could not disagree more.

Joey, have you even seen Ratatouille?

I have, yes.

[tragabigzanda]

Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.

[Strat]

Cooking/creating food is without a doubt no less an art form than making music or film or painting or whatever.

Could not disagree more.

Joey, have you even seen Ratatouille?

I have, yes.

Food has the ability to emotionally transport us to another time or place; to generate feelings of care, empathy, or anger with the world; to excite the senses and stimulate the mind; and is most certainly a craft in that it requires knowledge of many different tools and their interactions with each other...How is that not art?

dont forget the presentation!

[Kaius]

Cooking/creating food is without a doubt no less an art form than making music or film or painting or whatever.

Could not disagree more.

Explain yourself, heathen

[epilogue]

Cooking/creating food is without a doubt no less an art form than making music or film or painting or whatever.

Could not disagree more.

Joey, have you even seen Ratatouille?

I have, yes.

Food has the ability to emotionally transport us to another time or place; to generate feelings of care, empathy, or anger with the world; to excite the senses and stimulate the mind; and is most certainly a craft in that it requires knowledge of many different tools and their interactions with each other...How is that not art?

Again, anything can be art.

I've had bowel movements that have made me angry with the world and transported me to another time or place. I'm not about to call those art, though. Again, we come back to the whole square/rectangle discussion.

You used the word "craft" above. Like Mr. Bourdain, I'd say that is a far more appropriate word. Food and cooking are a craft, and cooks are craftspeople.

“Cooking is a craft, I like to think, and a good cook is a craftsman — not an artist. There’s nothing wrong with that: the great cathedrals of Europe were built by craftsmen — though not designed by them. Practicing your craft in expert fashion is noble, honorable and satisfying.” -Anthony Bourdain

Of course, there is overlap in those two concepts (craft and art) but their differences are meaningful.

If we're going to use this standard definition:
1. the expression or application of human creative skill and imagination, typically in a visual form such as painting or sculpture, producing works to be appreciated primarily for their beauty or emotional power.

Then, one can certainly argue that food is art, but that's limiting, I think. Yes, fine. If that's the word you guys want to use, okay, whatever. But food doesn't fill that definition in general terms, only in specific cases.

So, yes, food can be art (much the same way a shit can be art if you make a statue out of it). I'm just not comfortable calling it art. I think that's pretentious and takes something vital and necessary and basic and unnecessarily elevates it beyond its station. While I fully understand that there are artistic applications of food, I don't think its fair or accurate to call food, in and of itself, art; not cooking, in and of itself, artistic.

[tragabigzanda]

Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.

[Jorge]

Heh yeah I was team Trag until that post but Joe makes a good argument

[tragabigzanda]

Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.

[epilogue]

Thanks, man. But I wasn't trying to win anything. Just explaining why I think the way I do. This has been a good conversation and I look forward to LV coming in here, blowing the whole thing up, and telling me why I'm wrong.

[epilogue]

Do you guys see what I mean, though? These threads, the SCV threads, are the best thing about RM. I love these conversations.

[Jorge]

Yes that was a good conversation about cinematic values we just had

[tragabigzanda]

Whenever there's active promotion on the part of somebody else, whenever I see somebody all dolled up for a fancy photograph and someone's handing out flyers or whenever there's active promotion for something like that, as an imposition on my day, I hate all those people and I want them to fail. I have a visceral reaction to advertising and promotion. There's just something about salesmanship that grates on me on a very base level and I react very negatively towards it. I want those people to suffer and I want their enterprises to fail.

[epilogue]

AL

[dimejinky99]

I still haven't listened to this

[epilogue]

Don't waste your time.