Election 2016

[Self]

SHOCK-O-LOT

[BurtReynolds]

I like Mike Rowe a lot.

“Every four years, celebrities and movie stars look earnestly into the camera and tell the country to ‘get out and vote.’ They tell us it’s our ‘most important civic duty,’ and they speak as if the very act of casting a ballot is more important than the outcome of the election. This strikes me as somewhat hysterical. Does anyone actually believe that Leonardo DiCaprio, Ellen DeGeneres, and Ed Norton would encourage the ‘masses’ to vote, if they believed the ‘masses’ would elect Donald Trump?

Regardless of their political agenda, my celebrity pals are fundamentally mistaken about our ‘civic duty’ to vote. There is simply no such thing. Voting is a right, not a duty, and not a moral obligation. Like all rights, the right to vote comes with some responsibilities, but let’s face it – the bar is not set very high. If you believe aliens from another planet walk among us, you are welcome at the polls. If you believe the world is flat, and the moon landing was completely staged, you are invited to cast a ballot. Astrologists, racists, ghost-hunters, sexists, and people who rely upon a Magic 8 Ball to determine their daily wardrobe are all allowed to participate. In fact, and to your point, they’re encouraged.

The undeniable reality is this: our right to vote does not require any understanding of current events, or any awareness of how our government works. So, when a celebrity reminds the country that ‘everybody’s vote counts,’ they are absolutely correct. But when they tell us that ‘everybody in the country should get out there and vote,’ regardless of what they think or believe, I gotta wonder what they’re smoking.

Look at our current candidates. No one appears to like either one of them. Their approval ratings are at record lows. It’s not about who you like more, it’s about who you hate less. Sure, we can blame the media, the system, and the candidates themselves, but let’s be honest – Donald and Hillary are there because we put them there. The electorate has tolerated the intolerable. We’ve treated this entire process like the final episode of American Idol. What did we expect?

I can’t personally encourage everyone in the country to run out and vote. I wouldn’t do it, even if I thought it would benefit my personal choice. Because the truth is, the country doesn’t need voters who have to be cajoled, enticed, or persuaded to cast a ballot. We need voters who wish to participate in the process. So if you really want me to say something political, how about this – read more.

Spend a few hours every week studying American history, human nature, and economic theory. Start with “Economics in One Lesson.” Then try Keynes. Then Hayek. Then Marx. Then Hegel. Develop a worldview that you can articulate as well as defend. Test your theory with people who disagree with you. Debate. Argue. Adjust your philosophy as necessary. Then, when the next election comes around, cast a vote for the candidate whose worldview seems most in line with your own.

Or, don’t. None of the freedoms spelled out in our Constitution were put there so people could cast uninformed ballots out of some misplaced sense of civic duty brought on by a celebrity guilt-trip. The right to assemble, to protest, to speak freely – these rights were included to help assure that the best ideas and the best candidates would emerge from the most transparent process possible.

Remember – there’s nothing virtuous or patriotic about voting just for the sake of voting, and the next time someone tells you otherwise, do me a favor – ask them who they’re voting for. Then tell them you’re voting for their opponent. Then, see if they’ll give you a ride to the polls.”

[Jorge]

All of that was said more succinctly by Martha Kent in Batman v Superman

[BurtReynolds]

WHY DID YOU SAY THAT NAME

[Simple Torture]

Did anybody watch 538's short doc on Ross Perot? I was a wee little tyke back then so I just have the faintest of memory of those times: http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the ... erot-myth/

[BurtReynolds]

This Evan McMullin scenario is fascinating to me. What a country.

[Norah]

Did anybody watch 538's short doc on Ross Perot? I was a wee little tyke back then so I just have the faintest of memory of those times: http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the ... erot-myth/

Man, what a time to be alive.

[Simple Torture]

Did anybody watch 538's short doc on Ross Perot? I was a wee little tyke back then so I just have the faintest of memory of those times: http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the ... erot-myth/

Man, what a time to be alive.

All I remember is that we did a mock election in 2nd grade, and I spent recess campaigning for Perot. He came in 2nd.

[Bi_3]

The Shy Tory effect

This is exactly why I am still not confident in an H-dogg victory yet. If I were a betting man, I'd say there's a pretty significant number of Trumpettes who are scared to say it publicly (fear of the r word) but have every intention of selecting team-combover in the voting booth.

[Norah]

Did anybody watch 538's short doc on Ross Perot? I was a wee little tyke back then so I just have the faintest of memory of those times: http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the ... erot-myth/

Man, what a time to be alive.

All I remember is that we did a mock election in 2nd grade, and I spent recess campaigning for Perot. He came in 2nd.

We did a mock election too. I remember coming home and telling my dad I voted for Bush (like almost all of my class, because name recognition) and he was appalled.

At one point during I assume October I remember my mom saying about Perot "eh, what's the worst thing that can happen?"

[96583UP]

The Shy Tory effect

This is exactly why I am still not confident in an H-dogg victory yet. If I were a betting man, I'd say there's a pretty significant number of Trumpettes who are scared to say it publicly (fear of the r word) but have every intention of selecting team-combover in the voting booth.

probably at least an equal number of Hillary supporters that don't put signs in their lawn or engage in public political conversations because they don't want to get harassed by captain rapey's angry supporters

[Bi_3]

The Shy Tory effect

This is exactly why I am still not confident in an H-dogg victory yet. If I were a betting man, I'd say there's a pretty significant number of Trumpettes who are scared to say it publicly (fear of the r word) but have every intention of selecting team-combover in the voting booth.

probably at least an equal number of Hillary supporters that don't put signs in their lawn or engage in public political conversations because they don't want to get harassed by captain rapey's angry supporters

Fair point. Here in the capital of hypocritical liberals, no one posts trump signs (even the guy who had an "arrest Obama" sign on his lawn for months doesn't) but god help anyone 30 minutes outside the Beltway

[Simple Torture]

There's an ordinance in my town for how early you can put signs up in your yard; the deadline has obviously passed, since there are a lot of local signs going up. There's only one presidential sign on the street, and it's Trump. We're putting up a Clinton sign the day after Halloween.

[Simple Torture]

Ken Bone did an AMA on reddit today and didn't create a new username for it--like, he used the username he's had for years. Didn't take people long before they found his comments in r/preggoporn

[Jorge]

Oh nooooo

[Birds in Hell]

Ken Bone did an AMA on reddit today and didn't create a new username for it--like, he used the username he's had for years. Didn't take people long before they found his comments in r/preggoporn

People really are the worst.

[Simple Torture]

However, people have been quick to point out that even his comments in porn threads are very polite.

[Jorge]

However, people have been quick to point out that even his comments in porn threads are very polite.

lol yeah I just looked at them. Stuff like "you are very beautiful."

[Simple Torture]

Case in point (nsfw): https://www.reddit.com/r/PreggoPorn/com ... er/d54o08x

[Strat]

I like Mike Rowe and i agree with almost everything he said. But there are plenty of Hollywood Celebrities who endorse trump and talk about voting.