10th album rumors and speculation

[verb_to_trust]

A countdown to yet another countdown. Band management is pathetic.

I think the band legitimately think people care. I blame the fanbois over on the pit and the people who are buying the dog collars. They are really fucking with any realistic understanding the band has left regarding the real public's perception and interest in them.

oh come on. The countdown was for fans. And judging by the reaction here people did care. They cared quite a bit. They read that exactly right.

The failure here was not to understand that album information is more exciting than tour information and that expecting album information/new music was a reasonable expectation.

The fallacy here is that every time this shit happens, someone says 'Well this wasn't for you, it was for the fans.' But the fans are always *over there*, like, not us. And some of them will be on the Pit too. So in the end, who *was* this announcement for? The answer is, anyone who was interested... and the number of interested people is shrinking every time they pull a stunt like this. So now, 'fans' simply means 'not you, someone else'.

I don't think we're disagreeing. My point is that the countdown was not for the general population (the public), which verb_to_trust seemed to be implying. It was for the pearl jam community. And it did generate interest. In that respect it was successful. The problem was that a tour announcement doesn't include everyone--which was your point.

Correct me if i'm wrong, but wasn't the countdown clock reported on by at least few other sites?

[Strat]

While people are entitled to feel however they want to feel, I'm not sure why this has turned into an existential crisis for some people.

A new album is coming. New music is coming. They will be touring off a new record. It looks like that original rumored date for the single will have ended up being correct. This was a let down (I felt a bit deflated after the announcement) because we were primed to expect information this week that will now come next week, most likely.

But that's it. We are now getting our present a week later. it sucks that we thought Christmas was coming a week early. But it is still coming.

No crisis but it is yet 1 more thing that points to the major disconnect between the band/management and "fans". Yet another major ball drop....if you will.

[evenslow]

My disappointment has driven me to register and post. I am starting to realize that the Wrigley show may very well be the last time I see these guys play live..... ever. I guess if you live anywhere from Nebraska to Florida, a travel excursion is required to see the band from now on, full on with plane tickets, hotels, etc... Just can't do that anymore. I'm too damn old, have kids, responsibilities, etc... I mean, when's the next full tour? 2016 at best? And I'd bet I have a 10% chance of seeing them within an hour or two drive from my Louisville home. It's been 19 years since they played here. We have a brand spanking new downtown arena- I saw the Who there in the Spring. I was fully expecting there would be a date in Louisville because of these two facts.

All that build-up just to have half the country realize they won't be seeing them this tour seems a little near sighted. I guess the countdown gimmick will continue, and I will look forward to album and single news, but to ever expect anything again that is surprisingly satisfying from this band is a bad idea and I just need to get used to it.

Sad to think, but it looks like my Pearl Jam fandom has officially moved on to the "good ol' days" of my youth.

You clearly need to move.

[hlniv]

My disappointment has driven me to register and post. I am starting to realize that the Wrigley show may very well be the last time I see these guys play live..... ever. I guess if you live anywhere from Nebraska to Florida, a travel excursion is required to see the band from now on, full on with plane tickets, hotels, etc... Just can't do that anymore. I'm too damn old, have kids, responsibilities, etc... I mean, when's the next full tour? 2016 at best? And I'd bet I have a 10% chance of seeing them within an hour or two drive from my Louisville home. It's been 19 years since they played here. We have a brand spanking new downtown arena- I saw the Who there in the Spring. I was fully expecting there would be a date in Louisville because of these two facts.

All that build-up just to have half the country realize they won't be seeing them this tour seems a little near sighted. I guess the countdown gimmick will continue, and I will look forward to album and single news, but to ever expect anything again that is surprisingly satisfying from this band is a bad idea and I just need to get used to it.

Sad to think, but it looks like my Pearl Jam fandom has officially moved on to the "good ol' days" of my youth.

this

There is never going to be another "full" tour

That has just sunk in for me... I feel older now than I ever have. I was really expecting this to be another big run, definitely not as big as 2003, but the biggest since then. Turns out, nope, just more of the same.

And to build all that up without album or single news... clearly a mistake. There won't be near the attention on the future countdown(s).

[harmless]

Don't tour announcements usually come after album announcements.....so the tour is y'know...supporting the album

Nope. Not with PJ anymore. Touring is about milking us idiots for all we are worth...

But if they did it the otherway round at least they wouldn't look as retarded. I'm ok with being lied to! C'Mon guys is not that harrrdddd.

It is the most obvious thing EVER that if they'd released album info, people would've waited on another clock for tour info. But not the other fucking way round...

[hlniv]

My disappointment has driven me to register and post. I am starting to realize that the Wrigley show may very well be the last time I see these guys play live..... ever. I guess if you live anywhere from Nebraska to Florida, a travel excursion is required to see the band from now on, full on with plane tickets, hotels, etc... Just can't do that anymore. I'm too damn old, have kids, responsibilities, etc... I mean, when's the next full tour? 2016 at best? And I'd bet I have a 10% chance of seeing them within an hour or two drive from my Louisville home. It's been 19 years since they played here. We have a brand spanking new downtown arena- I saw the Who there in the Spring. I was fully expecting there would be a date in Louisville because of these two facts.

All that build-up just to have half the country realize they won't be seeing them this tour seems a little near sighted. I guess the countdown gimmick will continue, and I will look forward to album and single news, but to ever expect anything again that is surprisingly satisfying from this band is a bad idea and I just need to get used to it.

Sad to think, but it looks like my Pearl Jam fandom has officially moved on to the "good ol' days" of my youth.

You clearly need to move.

I did, but came back... oh well...

[WaitingForBluey]

Am I delusional to reserve judgment until after the band is actually done with their announcements? I know, that type of rational thought is just useless...

[evenslow]

A countdown to yet another countdown. Band management is pathetic.

I think the band legitimately think people care. I blame the fanbois over on the pit and the people who are buying the dog collars. They are really fucking with any realistic understanding the band has left regarding the real public's perception and interest in them.

oh come on. The countdown was for fans. And judging by the reaction here people did care. They cared quite a bit. They read that exactly right.

The failure here was not to understand that album information is more exciting than tour information and that expecting album information/new music was a reasonable expectation.

The fallacy here is that every time this shit happens, someone says 'Well this wasn't for you, it was for the fans.' But the fans are always *over there*, like, not us. And some of them will be on the Pit too. So in the end, who *was* this announcement for? The answer is, anyone who was interested... and the number of interested people is shrinking every time they pull a stunt like this. So now, 'fans' simply means 'not you, someone else'.

I don't think we're disagreeing. My point is that the countdown was not for the general population (the public), which verb_to_trust seemed to be implying. It was for the pearl jam community. And it did generate interest. In that respect it was successful. The problem was that a tour announcement doesn't include everyone--which was your point.

Love ya stip but there's no need to split hairs here. This was a dumb way to do a mere half-tour announcement, plain and simple.

[stip]

I agree. But I do think the countdown idea was neat, and they're continuing with it (it looks like) for all the album/tour info. This was just a poor place to start.

[Thejambi]

A countdown to yet another countdown. Band management is pathetic.

I think the band legitimately think people care. I blame the fanbois over on the pit and the people who are buying the dog collars. They are really fucking with any realistic understanding the band has left regarding the real public's perception and interest in them.

oh come on. The countdown was for fans. And judging by the reaction here people did care. They cared quite a bit. They read that exactly right.

The failure here was not to understand that album information is more exciting than tour information and that expecting album information/new music was a reasonable expectation.

The fallacy here is that every time this shit happens, someone says 'Well this wasn't for you, it was for the fans.' But the fans are always *over there*, like, not us. And some of them will be on the Pit too. So in the end, who *was* this announcement for? The answer is, anyone who was interested... and the number of interested people is shrinking every time they pull a stunt like this. So now, 'fans' simply means 'not you, someone else'.

I don't think we're disagreeing. My point is that the countdown was not for the general population (the public), which verb_to_trust seemed to be implying. It was for the pearl jam community. And it did generate interest. In that respect it was successful. The problem was that a tour announcement doesn't include everyone--which was your point.

Was it really though? I mean the fans are fans and a simple "Have your memberships up to date" or " Tour dates will be announced" would have more than sufficed to generate fan traffic. This is some trumped up self indulgent marketing campaign. It screams of a build up or a shout out to fringe fans and casuals of " Hey we still matter!". It even made some news broadcasts. I just don't see how these dates and this announcement constitute as "Huge" as they put it several times.

I'm annoyed. The sad part is all it would have taken was some formal acknowledgment of a single/album/title to make this countdown worth it. Maybe it's me being fickle .

[harmless]

While people are entitled to feel however they want to feel, I'm not sure why this has turned into an existential crisis for some people.

A new album is coming. New music is coming. They will be touring off a new record. It looks like that original rumored date for the single will have ended up being correct. This was a let down (I felt a bit deflated after the announcement) because we were primed to expect information this week that will now come next week, most likely.

But that's it. We are now getting our present a week later. it sucks that we thought Christmas was coming a week early. But it is still coming.

No crisis but it is yet 1 more thing that points to the major disconnect between the band/management and "fans". Yet another major ball drop....if you will.

The only disappointment here is that we wasted a week of our lives waiting on something that probably tens of thousands of people won't even be a part of.

[stip]

A countdown to yet another countdown. Band management is pathetic.

I think the band legitimately think people care. I blame the fanbois over on the pit and the people who are buying the dog collars. They are really fucking with any realistic understanding the band has left regarding the real public's perception and interest in them.

oh come on. The countdown was for fans. And judging by the reaction here people did care. They cared quite a bit. They read that exactly right.

The failure here was not to understand that album information is more exciting than tour information and that expecting album information/new music was a reasonable expectation.

The fallacy here is that every time this shit happens, someone says 'Well this wasn't for you, it was for the fans.' But the fans are always *over there*, like, not us. And some of them will be on the Pit too. So in the end, who *was* this announcement for? The answer is, anyone who was interested... and the number of interested people is shrinking every time they pull a stunt like this. So now, 'fans' simply means 'not you, someone else'.

I don't think we're disagreeing. My point is that the countdown was not for the general population (the public), which verb_to_trust seemed to be implying. It was for the pearl jam community. And it did generate interest. In that respect it was successful. The problem was that a tour announcement doesn't include everyone--which was your point.

Was it really though? I mean the fans are fans and a simple "Have your memberships up to date" or " Tour dates will be announced" would have more than sufficed to generate fan traffic. This is some trumped up self indulgent marketing campaign. It screams of a build up or a shout out to fringe fans and casuals of " Hey we still matter!". It even made some news broadcasts. I just don't see how these dates and this announcement constitute as "Huge" as they put it several times.

I'm annoyed. The sad part is all it would have taken was some formal acknowledgment of a single/album/title to make this countdown worth it. Maybe it's me being fickle .

it's not you. Even if they hadn't released a single yet, a tour announcement supporting record X would have made this fine.

[verb_to_trust]

A countdown to yet another countdown. Band management is pathetic.

I think the band legitimately think people care. I blame the fanbois over on the pit and the people who are buying the dog collars. They are really fucking with any realistic understanding the band has left regarding the real public's perception and interest in them.

oh come on. The countdown was for fans. And judging by the reaction here people did care. They cared quite a bit. They read that exactly right.

The failure here was not to understand that album information is more exciting than tour information and that expecting album information/new music was a reasonable expectation.

The fallacy here is that every time this shit happens, someone says 'Well this wasn't for you, it was for the fans.' But the fans are always *over there*, like, not us. And some of them will be on the Pit too. So in the end, who *was* this announcement for? The answer is, anyone who was interested... and the number of interested people is shrinking every time they pull a stunt like this. So now, 'fans' simply means 'not you, someone else'.

I don't think we're disagreeing. My point is that the countdown was not for the general population (the public), which verb_to_trust seemed to be implying. It was for the pearl jam community. And it did generate interest. In that respect it was successful. The problem was that a tour announcement doesn't include everyone--which was your point.

Was it really though? I mean the fans are fans and a simple "Have your memberships up to date" or " Tour dates will be announced" would have more than sufficed to generate fan traffic. This is some trumped up self indulgent marketing campaign. It screams of a build up or a shout out to fringe fans and casuals of " Hey we still matter!". It even made some news broadcasts. I just don't see how these dates and this announcement constitute as "Huge" as they put it several times.

I'm annoyed. The sad part is all it would have taken was some formal acknowledgment of a single/album/title to make this countdown worth it. Maybe it's me being fickle .

You're not being fickle at all.

[Strat]

The disappointment is also magnified by the less than inspiring "North America Tour"

[harmless]

A countdown to yet another countdown. Band management is pathetic.

I think the band legitimately think people care. I blame the fanbois over on the pit and the people who are buying the dog collars. They are really fucking with any realistic understanding the band has left regarding the real public's perception and interest in them.

oh come on. The countdown was for fans. And judging by the reaction here people did care. They cared quite a bit. They read that exactly right.

The failure here was not to understand that album information is more exciting than tour information and that expecting album information/new music was a reasonable expectation.

The fallacy here is that every time this shit happens, someone says 'Well this wasn't for you, it was for the fans.' But the fans are always *over there*, like, not us. And some of them will be on the Pit too. So in the end, who *was* this announcement for? The answer is, anyone who was interested... and the number of interested people is shrinking every time they pull a stunt like this. So now, 'fans' simply means 'not you, someone else'.

I don't think we're disagreeing. My point is that the countdown was not for the general population (the public), which verb_to_trust seemed to be implying. It was for the pearl jam community. And it did generate interest. In that respect it was successful. The problem was that a tour announcement doesn't include everyone--which was your point.

Was it really though? I mean the fans are fans and a simple "Have your memberships up to date" or " Tour dates will be announced" would have more than sufficed to generate fan traffic. This is some trumped up self indulgent marketing campaign. It screams of a build up or a shout out to fringe fans and casuals of " Hey we still matter!". It even made some news broadcasts. I just don't see how these dates and this announcement constitute as "Huge" as they put it several times.

I'm annoyed. The sad part is all it would have taken was some formal acknowledgment of a single/album/title to make this countdown worth it. Maybe it's me being fickle .

It was a brand-new, ramped up way of delivering news... with bells on. And all for information they've thrown out for free before, with no OTT buildup at all. All the interest and excitement they generated, which some people are for some reason impressed by, was for nothing other than "a little bird told me you should renew your memberships", which we've had a thousand times before.

[stip]

The disappointment is also magnified by the less than inspiring "North America Tour"

yeah, I suspect the real issue here is that people are bummed they no longer do massive tours.

[bada]

A tour is for select people new music is for everyone. Everyone should come first.

[Jaeti]

While people are entitled to feel however they want to feel, I'm not sure why this has turned into an existential crisis for some people.

A new album is coming. New music is coming. They will be touring off a new record. It looks like that original rumored date for the single will have ended up being correct. This was a let down (I felt a bit deflated after the announcement) because we were primed to expect information this week that will now come next week, most likely.

But that's it. We are now getting our present a week later. it sucks that we thought Christmas was coming a week early. But it is still coming.

No crisis but it is yet 1 more thing that points to the major disconnect between the band/management and "fans". Yet another major ball drop....if you will.

The only disappointment here is that we wasted a week of our lives waiting on something that probably tens of thousands of people won't even be a part of.

If anyone actually managed to "waste a week waiting", then that's a personal problem wholly unrelated to the band or its management.

[BurtReynolds]

While people are entitled to feel however they want to feel, I'm not sure why this has turned into an existential crisis for some people.

A new album is coming. New music is coming. They will be touring off a new record. It looks like that original rumored date for the single will have ended up being correct. This was a let down (I felt a bit deflated after the announcement) because we were primed to expect information this week that will now come next week, most likely.

But that's it. We are now getting our present a week later. it sucks that we thought Christmas was coming a week early. But it is still coming.

yeah a week from now no one will remember this silly announcement.

[Strat]

The disappointment is also magnified by the less than inspiring "North America Tour"

yeah, I suspect the real issue here is that people are bummed they no longer do massive tours.

Not even that. They could do far more interesting tours in 20-25 shows than their "par-for-the course" east coast/west coast stops.