Vault #6: 7/13/98 LA Forum show

[dad]

I'm surprised there hasn't been much discussion about this release. Maybe it's because most fans had a decent bootleg of it for years, and don't have much interest. Who knows...

It's a great show from quite possibly the best tour they've ever done. The vault shows are the only thing that keeps me coming back. I can't get into the Lightning Bolt songs/shows at all.

[Birds in Hell]

I haven't posted about it yet, but I think it's fantastic and I agree that the 1998 tour is a high-water mark for both the Jack Irons and Matt Cameron line-ups of the band.

Releases like this really underline to me that, whatever my issues are with the band's recent effotts, the problem is clearly them and not me as I love this band (by which I mean the version preserved on this release) as much as I ever have.

[tragabigzanda]

pearl jam sucks now

[LetMeSleep]

I haven't posted about it yet, but I think it's fantastic and I agree that the 1998 tour is a high-water mark for both the Jack Irons and Matt Cameron line-ups of the band.

Releases like this really underline to me that, whatever my issues are with the band's recent effotts, the problem is clearly them and not me as I love this band (by which I mean the version preserved on this release) as much as I ever have.

Funny, I was just watching some of the Japan concert film this morning and having the exact same thought.

I was listening to Pinkpop 2000 and had similar thoughts.

[dad]

I haven't posted about it yet, but I think it's fantastic and I agree that the 1998 tour is a high-water mark for both the Jack Irons and Matt Cameron line-ups of the band.

Releases like this really underline to me that, whatever my issues are with the band's recent effotts, the problem is clearly them and not me as I love this band (by which I mean the version preserved on this release) as much as I ever have.

Yes, agreed.

I think it was said (possibly in another thread) that lack of vault releases is due to incomplete shows. If they're sitting on their hands because of that, I don't think they truly understand their fanbase. They gave us Constitution Hall from '98 with a cut in Push Me, Pull Me, and we still bought it. They also gave us the Orpheum with fades, and incomplete, and we still bought the reissues that included it.

So yes, the problem definitely lies with them.

[Birds in Hell]

I think they think they understand their audience, and in some respects I think they do, which is one of the roots of their late-career slump.

[bodysnatcher]

I think they think they understand their audience, and in some respects I think they do, which is one of the roots of their late-career slump.

the average slice of a Pearl Jam audience is a pretty bland group of people


so, it really does make sense.

[Strat]

Eh. Here's another thought: ed no longer respects his audience.


I remember an article back in the good old days of him talking about how he respects his audience at this point and that's why they felt they could release nothing as it seems as a single.

Now what do we get?

[LetMeSleep]

Eh. Here's another thought: ed no longer respects his audience.


I remember an article back in the good old days of him talking about how he respects his audience at this point and that's why they felt they could release nothing as it seems as a single.

Now what do we get?

Told to Mind Our Manners

[bodysnatcher]

Eh. Here's another thought: ed no longer respects his audience.


I remember an article back in the good old days of him talking about how he respects his audience at this point and that's why they felt they could release nothing as it seems as a single.

Now what do we get?

I dunno if it's less respect, or just pandering to the average fan. I think to us, it's annoying bc they don't write things like NAIS anymore, but to Joe Blow down the street who listened to Betterman the night he got engaged, I'm sure the recent output has him a little more engaged

[Strat]

Can't find a vedder fan

[hlniv]

I think they think they understand their audience, and in some respects I think they do, which is one of the roots of their late-career slump.

So you think that you think that they think this?

Is that correct?

[dad]

As much as I love this vault show, I'm already speculating the next one. I feel like we're due for a Jack-era show. I could see something from the No Code Tour, as well as Red Rocks '95, given the Fan Club single from years ago.

[Birds in Hell]

I think they think they understand their audience, and in some respects I think they do, which is one of the roots of their late-career slump.

So you think that you think that they think this?

Is that correct?

I think so.

[CopperTom]

I don't remember if I posted this already, I read the Easy Street 2005 show might be released soon. It might be vinyl only, possibly a RSD release. Unclear if it would be the EP or full show.

Don't kill the messenger...

[lowlight79]

it's funny when we speak about when they played best. You ask more causal fans or non die-hard fans, and they will say there playing the best they ever have right now. I don't know, but I do remember in 98 and 2000 that the general public was down on them at the time. 2000 for sure, alot of people got back into them with yield and Binural just didn't hit with everyone.

[VinylGuy]

it's funny when we speak about when they played best. You ask more causal fans or non die-hard fans, and they will say there playing the best they ever have right now. I don't know, but I do remember in 98 and 2000 that the general public was down on them at the time. 2000 for sure, alot of people got back into them with yield and Binural just didn't hit with everyone.

Oh man, i remember those years...Nobody liked Binaural and the general response to their live shows was...mmm i guess they are not rocking that much these days.

[ducko]

I agree with all of the above. My view/problem is that many of these vault releases are from the Matt-era. Give that the bootleg series kinda started once he was in the band, the plethora of official bootlegs already available with him as drummer make any new 'vault' release with him as drummer kinda seem like…not a 'vault' release at all, regardless of whether it was 98 or not. In my eyes a vault release would be anything pre-2000 bootlegs.

This also coincidentally aligns with the high point in their career IMO.

[E.H. Ruddock]

I don't remember if I posted this already, I read the Easy Street 2005 show might be released soon. It might be vinyl only, possibly a RSD release. Unclear if it would be the EP or full show.

Don't kill the messenger...

I thought this was already out? Or am I confusing another Easy Street show?

[Strat]

I don't remember if I posted this already, I read the Easy Street 2005 show might be released soon. It might be vinyl only, possibly a RSD release. Unclear if it would be the EP or full show.

Don't kill the messenger...

I thought this was already out? Or am I confusing another Easy Street show?

It was released but i dont think on vinyl. I have the CD somewhere