tragabigzanda wrote:
I honestly believe there's a serious threat of thousands, if not millions, of people dying.
From what? Trump ovens? Do you think soldiers will be dragging illegals from their homes and throwing them back across the fence? Do you think any first world state actor would use a nuke again?
Will every thing he said come to pass? No, of course not, but I don't think it's Pollyanna-ish to acknowledge this is a far different nominee from the norm.
For sure, but the absurd overreaction hyperbole being thrown around right now is just silly, bordering on sad. Trump does not literally get to put his finger on the nuke button, it's an agreement between like a dozen people. For this other stuff; the thousands of people, regulations, and lawsuits one must overcome to do the things being suggested will prevent Trump from doing evil, just like it prevent every modern President before him (and prevented a lot of them from doing good). The federal government is not a bunch of mindless robots that only obey the whims of the executive (uhhh... remember Comey last week?) Plus, we have no idea who his cabinet is going to be. We have no idea the real level of support he will have in Congress should he do something that threatens one of the S&P 100. It's brexit hysteria all over again.
I see what you're saying; personally, I just think this underestimates the huge amount of power the executive branch enjoys in certain regards (the nuclear "button," for example) and also underestimates the uniqueness of Trump as a potential president.
Yes, the government is bigger than the the president. But knowing the people that Trump will most likely bring into his circle? Gingrich? Dracula? Pence (probably more frightening the Trump), and the countless other crazy far right wing folks? not to mention the supreme court, a majority house and senate..... yes, trump could do a lot of damage.
Without trying to be too dramatic, i fucking feel ill about this. The one silver lining is the popular vote. Small sliver of hope for mankind.
How the fuck do i get up and try and teach yoga tonight?
About that. You guys need to get rid of the electoral college. Soon as possible. It won't happen now but the small rural minorities holding the entire country to ransom is insane and isn't working.
tragabigzanda wrote:
I honestly believe there's a serious threat of thousands, if not millions, of people dying.
From what? Trump ovens? Do you think soldiers will be dragging illegals from their homes and throwing them back across the fence? Do you think any first world state actor would use a nuke again?
Will every thing he said come to pass? No, of course not, but I don't think it's Pollyanna-ish to acknowledge this is a far different nominee from the norm.
For sure, but the absurd overreaction hyperbole being thrown around right now is just silly, bordering on sad. Trump does not literally get to put his finger on the nuke button, it's an agreement between like a dozen people. For this other stuff; the thousands of people, regulations, and lawsuits one must overcome to do the things being suggested will prevent Trump from doing evil, just like it prevent every modern President before him (and prevented a lot of them from doing good). The federal government is not a bunch of mindless robots that only obey the whims of the executive (uhhh... remember Comey last week?) Plus, we have no idea who his cabinet is going to be. We have no idea the real level of support he will have in Congress should he do something that threatens one of the S&P 100. It's brexit hysteria all over again.
I see what you're saying; personally, I just think this underestimates the huge amount of power the executive branch enjoys in certain regards (the nuclear "button," for example) and also underestimates the uniqueness of Trump as a potential president.
Yes, the government is bigger than the the president. But knowing the people that Trump will most likely bring into his circle? Gingrich? Dracula? Pence (probably more frightening the Trump), and the countless other crazy far right wing folks? not to mention the supreme court, a majority house and senate..... yes, trump could do a lot of damage.
I hope he proves us wrong
Regardless of what does or does not happen, the ability of a campaign built on this rhetoric to succeed says something about our culture that puts it beyond the scope of my ability to feel hope.
As much as I didn't want to see Hillary as the President, I still didn't want Trump there either and the thought of him winning just seems ridiculous, especially in the lead up to all of this. I was hoping it would be a super tight race that he'd just lose out on, but I guess you just have to make the most of the cards you're dealt.
TPPA trade agreement is now dead, which is a good thing - I don't really know of anyone who wanted that to go ahead
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I'm wondering if voter turnout would be higher or lower if the electoral college was eliminated. I honestly can think of reasons for arguing both sides, but I don't think I know enough to have a real solid opinion (I know, I know, this is the internet and I'm supposed to pretend to know everything). Thoughts?
Simple Torture wrote:I'm wondering if voter turnout would be higher or lower if the electoral college was eliminated. I honestly can think of reasons for arguing both sides, but I don't think I know enough to have a real solid opinion (I know, I know, this is the internet and I'm supposed to pretend to know everything). Thoughts?
My gut says removing the electoral college may lead people to believe their vote actually matters. I dont know though. I didnt think Trump would actually win so....
Strat wrote:
How the fuck do i get up and try and teach yoga tonight?
Yeah I had to get up and teach US Government and Politics. One of the classes contains a very vocal group of Trumpphiles. FML.
I got to walk into a room of eight year-old minority kids and do a lesson on "how to be brave." I was losing it last night thinking about how necessary that is now.
Bi_3 wrote:For sure, but the absurd overreaction hyperbole being thrown around right now is just silly, bordering on sad. Trump does not literally get to put his finger on the nuke button, it's an agreement between like a dozen people. For this other stuff; the thousands of people, regulations, and lawsuits one must overcome to do the things being suggested will prevent Trump from doing evil, just like it prevent every modern President before him (and prevented a lot of them from doing good). The federal government is not a bunch of mindless robots that only obey the whims of the executive (uhhh... remember Comey last week?) Plus, we have no idea who his cabinet is going to be. We have no idea the real level of support he will have in Congress should he do something that threatens one of the S&P 100. It's brexit hysteria all over again.
Allow me to rebutt: it's easy to not be hysterical when you are in the one group that is considered "off limits" to the new regime. Other people have very good reasons to be terrified.
I know I do not want to see the Electoral College switch to a nationwide system of congressional districts like it is in Maine & Nebraska (at least to a certain extent). The way the districts are gerrymandered that would be a joke. In 2012 Michigan Obama got a million and a half more votes in the state than Romney but if they went by districts he would have lost 9-4. Get the most votes in a state you win that state.
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Biff Pocoroba wrote:I know I do want to see the Electoral College switch to a nationwide system of congressional districts like it is in Maine & Nebraska (at least to a certain extent). The way the districts are gerrymandered that would be a joke. In 2012 Michigan Obama got a million and a half more votes in the state than Romney but if they went by districts he would have lost 9-4. Get the most votes in a state you win that state.
get the most votes in a state and you win the state is how it is now...
Without trying to be too dramatic, i fucking feel ill about this. The one silver lining is the popular vote. Small sliver of hope for mankind.
How the fuck do i get up and try and teach yoga tonight?
About that. You guys need to get rid of the electoral college. Soon as possible. It won't happen now but the small rural minorities holding the entire country to ransom is insane and isn't working.
It's working for the small rural minorities holding the entire country to ransom. Why would they want to change it?
Let me tell you, Homer Simpson is cock of nothing!
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tragabigzanda wrote:
I honestly believe there's a serious threat of thousands, if not millions, of people dying.
From what? Trump ovens? Do you think soldiers will be dragging illegals from their homes and throwing them back across the fence? Do you think any first world state actor would use a nuke again?
Will every thing he said come to pass? No, of course not, but I don't think it's Pollyanna-ish to acknowledge this is a far different nominee from the norm.
For sure, but the absurd overreaction hyperbole being thrown around right now is just silly, bordering on sad. Trump does not literally get to put his finger on the nuke button, it's an agreement between like a dozen people. For this other stuff; the thousands of people, regulations, and lawsuits one must overcome to do the things being suggested will prevent Trump from doing evil, just like it prevent every modern President before him (and prevented a lot of them from doing good). The federal government is not a bunch of mindless robots that only obey the whims of the executive (uhhh... remember Comey last week?) Plus, we have no idea who his cabinet is going to be. We have no idea the real level of support he will have in Congress should he do something that threatens one of the S&P 100. It's brexit hysteria all over again.
I see what you're saying; personally, I just think this underestimates the huge amount of power the executive branch enjoys in certain regards (the nuclear "button," for example) and also underestimates the uniqueness of Trump as a potential president.
Yes, the government is bigger than the the president. But knowing the people that Trump will most likely bring into his circle? Gingrich? Dracula? Pence (probably more frightening the Trump), and the countless other crazy far right wing folks? not to mention the supreme court, a majority house and senate..... yes, trump could do a lot of damage.
I hope he proves us wrong
Regardless of what does or does not happen, the ability of a campaign built on this rhetoric to succeed says something about our culture that puts it beyond the scope of my ability to feel hope.
That's exactly how I've felt all day.
Let me tell you, Homer Simpson is cock of nothing!
- C. Montgomery Burns
Bi_3 wrote:For sure, but the absurd overreaction hyperbole being thrown around right now is just silly, bordering on sad. Trump does not literally get to put his finger on the nuke button, it's an agreement between like a dozen people. For this other stuff; the thousands of people, regulations, and lawsuits one must overcome to do the things being suggested will prevent Trump from doing evil, just like it prevent every modern President before him (and prevented a lot of them from doing good). The federal government is not a bunch of mindless robots that only obey the whims of the executive (uhhh... remember Comey last week?) Plus, we have no idea who his cabinet is going to be. We have no idea the real level of support he will have in Congress should he do something that threatens one of the S&P 100. It's brexit hysteria all over again.
Allow me to rebutt: it's easy to not be hysterical when you are in the one group that is considered "off limits" to the new regime. Other people have very good reasons to be terrified.
Simple Torture wrote:I'm wondering if voter turnout would be higher or lower if the electoral college was eliminated. I honestly can think of reasons for arguing both sides, but I don't think I know enough to have a real solid opinion (I know, I know, this is the internet and I'm supposed to pretend to know everything). Thoughts?
My gut says removing the electoral college may lead people to believe their vote actually matters. I dont know though. I didnt think Trump would actually win so....
i think it just depends on your state...in alabama, it really doesn't feel like it matters now unless you vote republican
And they say that a hero could save us
I'm not gonna stand here and wait
Bi_3 wrote:
For sure, but the absurd overreaction hyperbole being thrown around right now is just silly, bordering on sad. Trump does not literally get to put his finger on the nuke button, it's an agreement between like a dozen people. For this other stuff; the thousands of people, regulations, and lawsuits one must overcome to do the things being suggested will prevent Trump from doing evil, just like it prevent every modern President before him (and prevented a lot of them from doing good). The federal government is not a bunch of mindless robots that only obey the whims of the executive (uhhh... remember Comey last week?) Plus, we have no idea who his cabinet is going to be. We have no idea the real level of support he will have in Congress should he do something that threatens one of the S&P 100. It's brexit hysteria all over again.
I'm finding a lot of comfort in the fact that Trump was so transparently lying throughout the whole campaign. I don't think he has any intention of doing half the shit he said. Hell, I think he was as surprised about last night as the rest of us were.
Everything's perfectly all right now. We're fine. We're all fine here, now, thank you. How are you?
Just look at the first thing he said upon becoming President Elect. He wanted to thank HRC for her lifetime of public service and all the good she's done. Blatantly breaking the campaign promise of having her arrested.
I think.. and this is not said in anyway to diminish the fear of minorities or women or anyone else, and their justifications for it.
and ive said this since the primaries. In a lot of ways, a president like Donald Trump is less scary than a guy like Ted Cruz or any of the other evangelical tea party types. If anything, his history of flip flops to gain popularity and appeal to a specific movement is far more encouraging than someone who always feels like he is answering to god or an inflexible set of ideals. for a lot of the social issues this is a very good thing- gay rights, abortion, etc. Even gun rights and things like that. Especially if he wants a shot a second term. The dems are going to spend the next 4 years trying to push the perfect candidate. He can be... convinced to change his opinion on those things and isn't beholden to the current republican norms. Obviously the outright bigotry and misogyny mitigate the possible positives of that, but thats where hopefully the existing power structures are able to stop him from succeeding in his more outlandish promises- the wall, banning muslims, etc.
