Election 2016

[Bi_3]

The violence is part of a mourning process. The hope is that something more peaceful and coherent will coalesce, but for right now, the sheer impact of the protests is enough to send a clear message to those who need to decide how closely aligned with Trump they wish to be.

One million percent chance this quote doesn't exist if Hillary won and righties turned violent.

LOL. Burt is on fire motherfuckers

[Jorge]

To say nothing of the fact that doing it right now, in liberal cities, before he's even sworn in is hilariously stupid and counterproductive to their cause.

- Of course the protests are in liberal cities due to the fact that liberal cities are where protestors are largely located
- Of course the protest is taking place before he's even sworn in due to the fact that it's a direct reaction to the election

I'm wondering what your ideal protest would look like. "OK fam I know we're all upset right now but let's all get organized and meet up in Topeka Kansas on January 21st"

Something like this would be waaaaay better. Remember how the Occupy movement fizzled out in a lack of clear direction? This thing right now is directionless, it's just emotion. Everyone on the same day, at the same time and place, would be a step in the right direction, provided it was non-violent.

But it is sheer emotion, and it is what they're trying to express on a local and global stage right now. Despite the alt-right cries of this being part of a Soros-sponsored conspiracy, the protests in the immediate aftermath of the election struck me as an organic expression of a visceral disgust. I fully expect a more organized nation-wide effort closer to the inauguration.

[tragabigzanda]

FUCK ICE

[tragabigzanda]

FUCK ICE

[Jorge]

And MLK marched through Alabama, not fucking Portland.

... do you know... why?

[Strat]

The violence is part of a mourning process. The hope is that something more peaceful and coherent will coalesce, but for right now, the sheer impact of the protests is enough to send a clear message to those who need to decide how closely aligned with Trump they wish to be.

One million percent chance this quote doesn't exist if Hillary won and righties turned violent.

I would 100% still view it as a mourning process, and strive to have empathy for that. And perhaps I would still want the protesters to all show up at once, in a non-violent manner, rather than a rash of violent protest across the country. But obviously I wouldn't be rooting for their cause or anything.

and I do believe there is a difference. These people are frightened of having their civil liberties ripped from them. There is a difference here.

[tragabigzanda]

FUCK ICE

[Norah]

To say nothing of the fact that doing it right now, in liberal cities, before he's even sworn in is hilariously stupid and counterproductive to their cause.

- Of course the protests are in liberal cities due to the fact that liberal cities are where protestors are largely located
- Of course the protest is taking place before he's even sworn in due to the fact that it's a direct reaction to the election

I'm wondering what your ideal protest would look like. "OK fam I know we're all upset right now but let's all get organized and meet up in Topeka Kansas on January 21st"

And make sure you don't inconvenience anyone else, because we wouldn't want this protest to be provocative.

[Bi_3]

Peaceful protest is pointless in most cases but perfectly acceptable. Blocking traffic, harassing people, and other forms of "nonviolent civil disobedience" that intrude on other people's rights are not. Maybe it's worth it to do those things, but it is illegal and it should be cracked down on if the public gets sick of it. You don't have the right to block streets and create dangerous situations for people, even if it's nonviolent.

To say nothing of the fact that doing it right now, in liberal cities, before he's even sworn in is hilariously stupid and counterproductive to their cause.

Man, i couldnt disagree more. This is how minorities have fought over the years to get the rights they do. By disrupting other peoples lives until it makes a difference.

Look, i get it, it sucks, its an inconvenience for privileged white people (all of us) but c'mon....This is how change can happen.

Large, organized protests designed to remind the orange twat he did not popular vote and that we will not be letting the rights of historically oppressed communities be compromised would be what you are talking about. That is not what is happening in Portland and other places. The protesters are engaged in a behavior called "virtue signaling", and it's basically the reason everything sucks now.

[BurtReynolds]

And MLK marched through Alabama, not fucking Portland.

... do you know... why?

I get that was where the base of his supporters were, but it also was effective because it was also where the people he was trying to confront were. It's also where he was in real danger. Dumbshit kids in California have little to fear, but can smugly walk around pretending they accomplished something when they didn't.

[Strat]

Yea, its the protesters fault for everything sucking right now

[BurtReynolds]

To say nothing of the fact that doing it right now, in liberal cities, before he's even sworn in is hilariously stupid and counterproductive to their cause.

- Of course the protests are in liberal cities due to the fact that liberal cities are where protestors are largely located
- Of course the protest is taking place before he's even sworn in due to the fact that it's a direct reaction to the election

I'm wondering what your ideal protest would look like. "OK fam I know we're all upset right now but let's all get organized and meet up in Topeka Kansas on January 21st"

And make sure you don't inconvenience anyone else, because we wouldn't want this protest to be provocative.

What you call inconvenience speaks to your own privilege.

[tragabigzanda]

FUCK ICE

[Jorge]

I'd like to take this opportunity to once again mention that I am not condoning hurting people or destroying property anywhere. That's very far removed from what I experienced last week.

[Simple Torture]

Disclaimer: I have no idea if Topeka Kansas is a liberal city

There's a book called What's the Matter with Kansas? which argues that the brand of anti-elitest, populist conservatism which probably propelled Trump to the presidency grew out of Kansas, which for generations had been a stronghold of liberal populism. The book came out in 2004, so it didn't discuss Trump or anything, but it's fascinating that you chose that city.

[Strat]

The violence is part of a mourning process. The hope is that something more peaceful and coherent will coalesce, but for right now, the sheer impact of the protests is enough to send a clear message to those who need to decide how closely aligned with Trump they wish to be.

One million percent chance this quote doesn't exist if Hillary won and righties turned violent.

I would 100% still view it as a mourning process, and strive to have empathy for that. And perhaps I would still want the protesters to all show up at once, in a non-violent manner, rather than a rash of violent protest across the country. But obviously I wouldn't be rooting for their cause or anything.

and I do believe there is a difference. These people are frightened of having their civil liberties ripped from them. There is a difference here.

The gun owners would have the same fear.

Bit if a false equivalency here. I understand they would be upset but why? Hillary wasn't going to take their guns. Pence has a proven record of his absurd medieval ideals on gay's, marriage, womens rights etc...

[Strat]

I'd like to take this opportunity to once again mention that I am not condoning hurting people or destroying property anywhere. That's very far removed from what I experienced last week.

Agreed. Destroying property, starting fires, and violence is a sure fire (hey?!?!) way to not get your point across.

[BurtReynolds]

The violence is part of a mourning process. The hope is that something more peaceful and coherent will coalesce, but for right now, the sheer impact of the protests is enough to send a clear message to those who need to decide how closely aligned with Trump they wish to be.

One million percent chance this quote doesn't exist if Hillary won and righties turned violent.

I would 100% still view it as a mourning process, and strive to have empathy for that. And perhaps I would still want the protesters to all show up at once, in a non-violent manner, rather than a rash of violent protest across the country. But obviously I wouldn't be rooting for their cause or anything.

and I do believe there is a difference. These people are frightened of having their civil liberties ripped from them. There is a difference here.

The gun owners would have the same fear.

Bit if a false equivalency here. I understand they would be upset but why? Hillary wasn't going to take their guns. Pence has a proven record of his absurd medieval ideals on gay's, marriage, womens rights etc...

Pretty sure she would, especially if she had congress and the courts behind her. Why wouldn't she? Wouldn't you be pissed if she didn't try?

But anyway, saying it's ok because you're right is a facile argument. Everyone thinks they are right. Especially me.

[Bi_3]

Yea, its the protesters fault for everything sucking right now

thats not what I said, but their behavior diminishes the cause and reenforces every negative stereotype about millennial and liberals

[BurtReynolds]

Disclaimer: I have no idea if Topeka Kansas is a liberal city

There's a book called What's the Matter with Kansas? which argues that the brand of anti-elitest, populist conservatism which probably propelled Trump to the presidency grew out of Kansas, which for generations had been a stronghold of liberal populism. The book came out in 2004, so it didn't discuss Trump or anything, but it's fascinating that you chose that city.

Do they still have that Creationist museum thing there? I need to learn about my ancestors riding dinosaurs.