Standing for the US flag

[Bammer]

Edit: Just made an errant post, sorry.

[Leatherhead]

I really don't care at all about a stupid flag. It's just a damn symbol made out of some fabric.

[tragabigzanda]

FUCK ICE

[Simple Torture]

I really don't care at all about a stupid flag. It's just a damn symbol made out of some fabric.

Seriously

Jean Baudrillard would like to have a word with you guys.

[tragabigzanda]

FUCK ICE

[Simple Torture]

I really don't care at all about a stupid flag. It's just a damn symbol made out of some fabric.

Seriously

Jean Baudrillard would like to have a word with you guys.

Leonard Peltier would like to have a word with Jean Baudrillard.

I was half just joshing you guys (mostly Leatherhead), but I Googled that guy and don't really know what he has to do with anything here.

[E.H. Ruddock]

Guys, you are sounding very millennial right now.

[tragabigzanda]

FUCK ICE

[tragabigzanda]

FUCK ICE

[Simple Torture]

I really don't care at all about a stupid flag. It's just a damn symbol made out of some fabric.

Seriously

Jean Baudrillard would like to have a word with you guys.

Leonard Peltier would like to have a word with Jean Baudrillard.

I was half just joshing you guys (mostly Leatherhead), but I Googled that guy and don't really know what he has to do with anything here.

It's ok, I had to google Jean Baudrillard. But if he's a guy who believes the symbol of the US flag has great importance, then a Native American who A) had his ancestors rights trampled by the US gov't and then B) he himself was railroaded on a bullshit murder charge would probably beg to differ.

Oh, Baudrillard is basically the opposite. Sort of. He was a post-structuralist philosopher who argued that society had been fundamentally changed by the way symbols had come to be accepted as the thing they stood for instead of being seen as standing for something. It's the difference between saying, "My great grandpappy died for what the flag represents" (an understanding that it's simply a symbol) vs. saying, "My great grandpappy died for the flag" (which doesn't acknowledge its symbol-ness). As certain interpretations of symbols begin to take hold as being "real" (especially in language and representation), we lose the ability to get in touch with and interact with the real. So he'd take issue with the statement "It's just a damn symbol made out of some fabric," and would rather us say "It's just some fabric that lots of people have decided is a symbol" (but he'd stress that it's impossible to make a judgment call about what the flag "really" means).

tl;dr: we actually agree, trag.

[BurtReynolds]

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[McParadigm]

They really clean the dog poo off the shoes, too.

[tragabigzanda]

FUCK ICE

[jwfocker]

I never liked standing for the flag. It represented something that seemed foreign to American ideals.

In my very limited opinion - it always seemed too nationalistic to me and nationalism is one of the worst human ideas/concepts in history.

[Simple Torture]

I never liked standing for the flag. It represented something that seemed foreign to American ideals.

In my very limited opinion - it always seemed too nationalistic to me and nationalism is one of the worst human ideas/concepts in history.

Commie, commie, traitor to our country!

[Norah]

Nationalism isn't always bad.

[E.H. Ruddock]

Nationalism isn't always bad.

Boston Strong

[Norah]

Nationalism isn't always bad.

Boston Strong

26+6=1

[jwfocker]

Nationalism isn't always bad.

Totally disagree.

[Norah]

Nationalism isn't always bad.

Totally disagree.

It was good for Ireland.