Let's Actually Watch the Movie: Empire Strikes Back

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watch the movie and share your thoughts.

[dimejinky99]

Wow. I'd never seen these. The Han and Leia stuff is great

[dimejinky99]

This film is actually flawless.

Tryna pick it apart and I can't. Every single shot and line of dialogue and sequence works. Perfectly.

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Unless you compare it to the original movie of which it is a sequel. Then there is a pretty big line of dialogue that totally contradicts what was said before. And none of this "certain point of view" bullshit. Any student of his scripts and story up to that point has Vader and Father Skywalker as two separate people.

That said, it is still by far my favorite film of the franchise. Dagobah/Bespin Luke is the best character out of all of it.

[dimejinky99]

Unless you compare it to the original movie of which it is a sequel. Then there is a pretty big line of dialogue that totally contradicts what was said before. And none of this "certain point of view" bullshit. Any student of his scripts and story up to that point has Vader and Father Skywalker as two separate people.

That said, it is still by far my favorite film of the franchise. Dagobah/Bespin Luke is the best character out of all of it.

You're loving Star Wars wrong. But it's ok. That's how you love it it's ok.

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Unless you compare it to the original movie of which it is a sequel. Then there is a pretty big line of dialogue that totally contradicts what was said before. And none of this "certain point of view" bullshit. Any student of his scripts and story up to that point has Vader and Father Skywalker as two separate people.

That said, it is still by far my favorite film of the franchise. Dagobah/Bespin Luke is the best character out of all of it.

You're loving Star Wars wrong. But it's ok. That's how you love it it's ok.

I'm not loving anything wrong. Just presenting facts and not drinking the Kool Aid.

[dimejinky99]

Unless you compare it to the original movie of which it is a sequel. Then there is a pretty big line of dialogue that totally contradicts what was said before. And none of this "certain point of view" bullshit. Any student of his scripts and story up to that point has Vader and Father Skywalker as two separate people.

That said, it is still by far my favorite film of the franchise. Dagobah/Bespin Luke is the best character out of all of it.

You're loving Star Wars wrong. But it's ok. That's how you love it it's ok.

I'm not loving anything wrong. Just presenting facts and not drinking the Kool Aid.

You're dragging George's sketches of ideas into canon. That's a whole different thing. They aren't canon.

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Unless you compare it to the original movie of which it is a sequel. Then there is a pretty big line of dialogue that totally contradicts what was said before. And none of this "certain point of view" bullshit. Any student of his scripts and story up to that point has Vader and Father Skywalker as two separate people.

That said, it is still by far my favorite film of the franchise. Dagobah/Bespin Luke is the best character out of all of it.

You're loving Star Wars wrong. But it's ok. That's how you love it it's ok.

I'm not loving anything wrong. Just presenting facts and not drinking the Kool Aid.

You're dragging George's sketches of ideas into canon. That's a whole different thing. They aren't canon.

I never said they were. Old Ben Kenobi did. Then Vader turned him into a liar.

I'm not disputing what's canon and what's not. Vader is Luke's father. No denial here. But to suggest them being separate beings as a "sketch of an idea" is ludicrous and incredibly naive. Especially, when Ben's line from the first movie is taken into consideration.

You really need to read the books I've recommended before arguing that it was all some divine plan he adhered to from start to finish.

[dimejinky99]

Remind me the names? I'll get em.

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The three Making Of books by JW Rinzler.

The Secret History of Star Wars by Michael Kaminski. This one is download only right now I believe.

All four books are absolutely indispensable and critical if you really want to know how the first trilogy was made. There's also a book and/or site that collects ALL the scripts for all three movies. (Actually, the site may even include the prequel scripts now. I'm not sure as it's been quite a while since I've been to it and I don't even remember what it's called.)

They will be the only books you read when you get them and you will NOT regret it.

[dimejinky99]

Cool thanks. Unlikely to find the making of books unless I do eBay.
Adding to the how Star Wars conquered the universe and the world according to Star Wars will only be good. They were both brilliant.

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All 3 are on Amazon.

[E.H. Ruddock]

Before Luke passes out from being cold on Hoth, he sees obi wan's force ghost who tells him to go see master yoda, the Jedi who instructed him. What about qui Gon?

[bada]

Are you watching it on TNT too Ruddo?

[E.H. Ruddock]

Haha yes

[bada]

Watching Empire the thing I notice the most is the girl from Stranger Things looks just like Princess Leia.

[bada]

Haha yes

I'm dying to go to sleep but I keep saying 5 more minutes.

[E.H. Ruddock]

I know, I want to go to bed

[Norah]

It just started too, you're fucked.

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Before Luke passes out from being cold on Hoth, he sees obi wan's force ghost who tells him to go see master yoda, the Jedi who instructed him. What about qui Gon?

Yoda taught the younglings before they were assigned to a master.