Kanye West

[LoathedVermin72]

The bleached asshole line is one of my favorite lyrics of 2016

[verb_to_trust]

The bleached asshole line is one of my favorite lyrics of 2016

Its unifying

[epilogue]

I haven't followed any of this. I'm coming in sort of blind and ignorant to this particular topic. If Kanye did vote for Trump or said he would have voted for Trump then he's a fool and part of the problem and doesn't deserve any attention now in this matter.

Yes he said such a thing

Does that statement Kanye made about voting for Trump make him more or less presidential in Joey's mind. I'm confused.

Is this really confusing for you?

You would make a better president than either of them. I would make a better president than either of them. Neither of these jackwagons should be president of the united states. Neither. But between the two of them, it's not even close. One is a super talented lunatic and one is a racist, sexist, ignorant, stupid, deplorable, money-grabbing, lying, backstabbing, lying, asshole.

Neither of them have any place near the oval office. But the choice between them isn't even a choice.

[epilogue]

Assuming Kanye does care about multiculturalism (or something else that Trump might threaten), I submit that the most effective thing he could do, given his position in life, would be to release an album of topical (socio-political, not about fame) rap; tour his ass off; and then donate million$ to various charities.

Trag gets it.

[Strat]

Assuming Kanye does care about multiculturalism (or something else that Trump might threaten), I submit that the most effective thing he could do, given his position in life, would be to release an album of topical (socio-political, not about fame) rap; tour his ass off; and then donate million$ to various charities.

This would require him to actually keep it together, his ego in check, and actually care....

[LoathedVermin72]

Overtly sociopolitical rap is so 2007

[doug rr]

go chiefs..

[epilogue]

Assuming Kanye does care about multiculturalism (or something else that Trump might threaten), I submit that the most effective thing he could do, given his position in life, would be to release an album of topical (socio-political, not about fame) rap; tour his ass off; and then donate million$ to various charities.

This would require him to actually keep it together, his ego in check, and actually care....

Nice volley, strat.

Your move, trag.

[verb_to_trust]

I haven't followed any of this. I'm coming in sort of blind and ignorant to this particular topic. If Kanye did vote for Trump or said he would have voted for Trump then he's a fool and part of the problem and doesn't deserve any attention now in this matter.

Yes he said such a thing

Does that statement Kanye made about voting for Trump make him more or less presidential in Joey's mind. I'm confused.

Is this really confusing for you?

You would make a better president than either of them. I would make a better president than either of them. Neither of these jackwagons should be president of the united states. Neither. But between the two of them, it's not even close. One is a super talented lunatic and one is a racist, sexist, ignorant, stupid, deplorable, money-grabbing, lying, backstabbing, lying, asshole.

Neither of them have any place near the oval office. But the choice between them isn't even a choice.

What party would back Kanye? Would anybody at all with any idea of how to function in office link up with his campaign? I would go down this rabbit hole further but its so incredibly stupid that I just can't go there.

Fuck Trump

[Kevin Davis]

Because only liberals have good intentions. Duh

Not what i was saying.

I really dont see how you can support trump and also care about multicultural issues.

I'm not grasping the distinction here, Strat.

In my experience the worst part of the American bipartisan system is the complete inability of most people to take an even remotely nuanced view of the other side. There are millions of people in this country, each with a unique set of values and experiences, and every four years each of those people is asked to somehow reconcile how that unique unique set of values conforms to one of two (or four, if you're a dreamer) pre-packaged political platitude kits, and somehow people fail to understand that there might anything other than the most one-dimensional psychology behind how the human brain processes this. "You voted this way, therefore you believe this, or you must think this way, or you must not care about this list of things, otherwise you'd have chosen differently." With 300 million people and only two political candidates, this simply can't be true as often as people seem to think it is.

I have no idea what role Kanye West might have in the future of our nation, but his concept that you can't expect change if you can't even reduce yourself to a conversation with the guy who has the most power to affect it seems not only reasonable but stupidly self-evident. That or it really is just a huge publicity stunt, in which case I simply choose to see it as a good thing that Trump having seemingly pleasant interactions with people of color.

[LoathedVermin72]

I hope Jaden Smith is VP

[Strat]

Because only liberals have good intentions. Duh

Not what i was saying.

I really dont see how you can support trump and also care about multicultural issues.

I'm not grasping the distinction here, Strat.

In my experience the worst part of the American bipartisan system is the complete inability of most people to take an even remotely nuanced view of the other side. There are millions of people in this country, each with a unique set of values and experiences, and every four years each of those people is asked to somehow reconcile how that unique unique set of values conforms to one of two (or four, if you're a dreamer) pre-packaged political platitude kits, and somehow people fail to understand that there might anything other than the most one-dimensional psychology behind how the human brain processes this. "You voted this way, therefore you believe this, or you must think this way, or you must not care about this list of things, otherwise you'd have chosen differently." With 300 million people and only two political candidates, this simply can't be true as often as people seem to think it is.

I have no idea what role Kanye West might have in the future of our nation, but his concept that you can't expect change if you can't even reduce yourself to a conversation with the guy who has the most power to affect it seems not only reasonable but stupidly self-evident. That or it really is just a huge publicity stunt, in which case I simply choose to see it as a good thing that Trump having seemingly pleasant interactions with people of color.

I respect nuance. Im just saying these two - trump and kanye - dont.

and there is nothing to suggest that Trump is about this more than publicity or that Trump is excited to have another "look at my african american over there"

[tragabigzanda]

[Strat]

Assuming Kanye does care about multiculturalism (or something else that Trump might threaten), I submit that the most effective thing he could do, given his position in life, would be to release an album of topical (socio-political, not about fame) rap; tour his ass off; and then donate million$ to various charities.

This would require him to actually keep it together, his ego in check, and actually care....

Nice volley, strat.

Your move, trag.

Overtly sociopolitical rap is so 2007

I think these are related. That we are having an earnest conversation about which of these two Twitter-driven fame-addicts would make a better president is one of many cultural signs for a renewal in earnestness in not just art, but thought, action, all facets of life...

It's too big a discussion for me to tackle right now.

But to the matter at hand: Kanye is trying to angle his celebrity into something political. He's not the first to do it. DiCaprio, Clooney, Heston, many others have done it. As it relates to the man's art, the arena for which he is most widely known and arguably the most talented is, is his music. I see a reasonably easy path for his channeling his anger into a more radio-friendly version of Yeezus, that sounds awesome, blows people's minds, and goes down like the next Miseducation of Lauryn Hill. He could give the profits to charities or PACs or something.

Should he continue to play the fame game, in both his art and politics, this would be both very egotistical and very boring to me.

I feel like the world is in a real bad place right now, and people should be getting earnest about how they are contributing. Kanye West is at the top of the game. I hope he uses his position with good sense and great care for the planet, whatever that looks like.

Do you really feel he is at the top of his game? or is he just top of his publicity stunting?

[tragabigzanda]

[Kevin Davis]

I respect nuance. Im just saying these two - trump and kanye - dont.

Well, not exactly -- you said "I don't see how you can support Trump and also care about multicultural issues." You were not just talking about Kanye and Trump. You were making a generalization. (If not, your language doesn't suggest such.) And while I understand the surface level train of thought behind that statement, logically it doesn't check out.

At worst Kanye and Trump are two celebrities schmoozing. Why is this bothersome? Is it just the latest thing that people are latching onto in the neverending crusade to convince LV to stop liking Kanye?

[Strat]

I respect nuance. Im just saying these two - trump and kanye - dont.

Well, not exactly -- you said "I don't see how you can support Trump and also care about multicultural issues." You were not just talking about Kanye and Trump. You were making a generalization. And while I understand the surface level train of thought behind that statement, logically it doesn't check out.

At worst Kanye and Trump are two celebrities schmoozing. Why is this bothersome? Is it just the latest thing that people are latching onto in the neverending crusade to convince LV to stop liking Kanye?

Lol. Hi welcome to RM. We are bantering about pointless shit. Take a seat and stay awhile.

[Kevin Davis]

Ah, I see.

[epilogue]

If LV ever stopped liking Kanye it would break my heart and I'd probably quit the Internet.

[Strat]

If LV ever stopped liking Kanye it would break my heart and I'd probably quit the Internet.

Absolutely. And Adam sandler and michael bay movies. The cyber world wouldnt be the fucking same.