Let's Actually Listen: Lost Dogs

[Monkey_Driven]

While i agree with everything you guys said, it doesnt bother me at all with LD, i consider them almost as another takes from the same sessions.
How to get those versions? They are on spotify, you can download torrents with them, you can get them as second hand cds like you said, etc..

I agree.

[Birds in Hell]

How about someone encountering the band for the first time, ten or twenty years from now?

What they'll find is Unplugged with Eddie's goat yowling instead of "Oh Beth", the 1991 meets 2003 "snakes in a panic" version of Alone, Footsteps with harmonica, Who You Are with alternate lyrics, etc.

All of the original versions of these will, by then, have been long out of print.

[EJ]

I am myself
Like Rod, somehow

[Monkey_Driven]

How about someone encountering the band for the first time, ten or twenty years from now?

What they'll find is Unplugged with Eddie's goat yowling instead of "Oh Beth", the 1991 meets 2003 "snakes in a panic" version of Alone, Footsteps with harmonica, Who You Are with alternate lyrics, etc.

All of the original versions of these will, by then, have been long out of print.

I think you are underestimating the band's cash-in potential of future b sides box sets.

[Birds in Hell]

This is also one of the reasons something like Spotify will never work for me; there's no transparency as to what version of a song you're listening to, which mix, which mastering, etc.

[VinylGuy]

How about someone encountering the band for the first time, ten or twenty years from now?

What they'll find is Unplugged with Eddie's goat yowling instead of "Oh Beth", the 1991 meets 2003 "snakes in a panic" version of Alone, Footsteps with harmonica, Who You Are with alternate lyrics, etc.

All of the original versions of these will, by then, have been long out of print.

Cmon man, everything is out there. These days you just have to google it...it was more fun back then when you had to go look for it...so, the idea of a new fan going into that world is pretty cool to me...Learning about the differences between what he thought it was the ¨definitive¨version with the one in a b side.

Still, i get what you mean...and yeah, i think eventually they will release a sort of comp with everything there.

[tragabigzanda]

pearl jam sucks now

[VinylGuy]

I actually prefer the LD version. Im glad i have it.

[stip]

Woe to all the kids coming of age today, with no way to track down a record store with the $20 Japanese import of a long discontinued single so they can finally hear the canon version of a b-side. Why must we make it so hard to access music? It was so much easier when we were young and $50 dollar bootleg cds put all the random tracks right at your fingertips.

[tragabigzanda]

pearl jam sucks now

[wease]

I actually prefer the LD version. Im glad i have it.

That's totally cool, but it should be called "Drifting (2003 Version)" or something like that. Give the new fans a frame of reference for the growth a song has taken, you know?

New fans? I thought they were just milking all us old guys all these years.

[tragabigzanda]

pearl jam sucks now

[Strat]

How about someone encountering the band for the first time, ten or twenty years from now?

What they'll find is Unplugged with Eddie's goat yowling instead of "Oh Beth", the 1991 meets 2003 "snakes in a panic" version of Alone, Footsteps with harmonica, Who You Are with alternate lyrics, etc.

All of the original versions of these will, by then, have been long out of print.

Lol. Dude you are eway off here. Someone encountering the band 20 years from now for the firs time would give two fucking shits about he nitpicking you are putting out here.

[chewm]

I agree with VinylGuy in this thread.

[Kevin Davis]

Woe to all the kids coming of age today, with no way to track down a record store with the $20 Japanese import of a long discontinued single so they can finally hear the canon version of a b-side. Why must we make it so hard to access music? It was so much easier when we were young and $50 dollar bootleg cds put all the random tracks right at your fingertips.

These sound like the grievances of a man once or more duped by the more expensive (identical) import versions.

[Kevin Davis]

I adore lost dogs...It was a really cool item when it came out, and its still a pretty good album to listen to...There are a lot of great songs and those outtakes are gold...All Night,Sad, Sweet Lew and In the Moonlight are my favorites.

About the re recorded stuff...i like them...We have the other versions so its fine if they werent ok with stuff and changed it..you can choose from whatever version you like more.

Even when the originals are superior (as they almost are) the differences in the new versions work like fun little easter eggs or give you a comparison point that encourages you to revisit and reconsider the original.

If we like having hundreds of live versions of songs surely we can suffer through some studio edits.

Entirely fresh takes would be far less objectionable, I think, though likely still inferior. What they gave us was kind of the musical equivalent of cropping an old ex-girlfriend out of a family photo (damn near literally, in the case of "Oceans"). I don't really care for the argument that people thirty years from now won't know the difference so what the hell; there's still something that just rubs me the wrong way about this kind of revisionist history, particularly when it comes in the guise of "correcting" some previous error, like Soundgarden is currently doing with their "Ultramega OK" reissue. "No really, this is what this 30 year-old album was supposed to sound like all along!" It just seems so pointlessly vain. You feel like you could improve upon something you did 10, 20, 30 years ago? Join the club, dude.

And while, no, I don't foresee any especially dire consequences stemming from someone in 2035 mistakenly inferring that "Footsteps" has always had a harmonica in it, I can't help but wonder whether people would feel stronger about this sort of thing if it was being done to more canonical works -- like, if all future pressings of "Vitalogy" contained the full Atlanta '94 version of "Better Man" instead of the extant hybrid, or if Eddie suddenly decided he didn't like the second verse to "Jeremy" and changed a bunch of the words on all future issues of "Ten." Does the fact that these are "only B-sides" change the philosophy at all?

[96583UP]

It's very similar to George Lucas's revisionist approach to the OT.

correct

quit meddlin'

[Kevin Davis]

How about someone encountering the band for the first time, ten or twenty years from now?

What they'll find is Unplugged with Eddie's goat yowling instead of "Oh Beth", the 1991 meets 2003 "snakes in a panic" version of Alone, Footsteps with harmonica, Who You Are with alternate lyrics, etc.

All of the original versions of these will, by then, have been long out of print.

This is pretty much exactly what happened to me with The Who's catalog.

[Birds in Hell]

And while, no, I don't foresee any especially dire consequences stemming from someone in 2035 mistakenly inferring that "Footsteps" has always had a harmonica in it, I can't help but wonder whether people would feel stronger about this sort of thing if it was being done to more canonical works -- like, if all future pressings of "Vitalogy" contained the full Atlanta '94 version of "Better Man" instead of the extant hybrid, or if Eddie suddenly decided he didn't like the second verse to "Jeremy" and changed a bunch of the words on all future issues of "Ten." Does the fact that these are "only B-sides" change the philosophy at all?

This is, more or less, what's happened with the recent No Code reissue which contains the RVM version of Who You Are with alternate lyrics.

As far as I know, they also correspondingly updated the digital versions available (eg. iTunes, HD Tracks), so the only way to get the "real" version is to track down a CD - and what happens once the CD is no longer in print (which will inevitably happen at some point)?

[stip]

Woe to all the kids coming of age today, with no way to track down a record store with the $20 Japanese import of a long discontinued single so they can finally hear the canon version of a b-side. Why must we make it so hard to access music? It was so much easier when we were young and $50 dollar bootleg cds put all the random tracks right at your fingertips.

These sound like the grievances of a man once or more duped by the more expensive (identical) import versions.

It was a dark time