Lightning Bolt: the official album thread

[Jorge]

And punk is always awful.

I hate you.

[Heathen]

And punk is always awful.

I hate you.

go make a punk song out of it

[Jorge]

And punk is always awful.

I hate you.

go make a punk song out of it

I don't need to, I have like 200 Germs songs to pick from. And they all sound the same.

[Heathen]

And punk is always awful.

I hate you.

go make a punk song out of it

I don't need to, I have like 200 Germs songs to pick from. And they all sound the same.

I can at least understand how one would have fun actually playing this kind of music, but listening to it? no way

[Jorge]

And punk is always awful.

I hate you.

go make a punk song out of it

I don't need to, I have like 200 Germs songs to pick from. And they all sound the same.

I can at least understand how one would have fun actually playing this kind of music, but listening to it? no way

Nothing? Not The Stooges, not The Clash, not Husker Du, Television, Refused, The Slits, The Undertones, absolutely nothing?

Man. To me, punk is such a powerful driving force, a total distillation and exacerbation of what made rock and roll exciting to begin with. Melody, energy, aggression and ingenuity. To my ears, the most fruitful melting pot in all of popular music-- particularly that early period.

[dimejinky99]

Are Fugazi punk?

They're really the only band In that sort of field that I liked.

[Jorge]

Are Fugazi punk?

They're really the only band In that sort of field that I liked.

Yeah, they are considered to be, and bastions of their own little sub-genre too. Great band.

[Jorge]

I'd also like to mention that in anticipation to BadMusic's reply I've been spinning Plastic Betrand's "Ça plane pour moi" for the last several minutes.

[dimejinky99]

I've seen fugazi 4 times. They were always kick ass live.

[Heathen]

And punk is always awful.

I hate you.

go make a punk song out of it

I don't need to, I have like 200 Germs songs to pick from. And they all sound the same.

I can at least understand how one would have fun actually playing this kind of music, but listening to it? no way

Nothing? Not The Stooges, not The Clash, not Husker Du, Television, Refused, The Slits, The Undertones, absolutely nothing?

Man. To me, punk is such a powerful driving force, a total distillation and exacerbation of what made rock and roll exciting to begin with. Melody, energy, aggression and ingenuity. To my ears, the most fruitful melting pot in all of popular music-- particularly that early period.

I'm not gonna lie, there are songs by some of these bands that I like, but a) they barely sound like actual punk to me (e.g. 'Marquee Moon') b) it's probably a bit like classic rock songs that are shoved down your throat when you're young so you end up liking them out of brainwashing. I've never heard anything by The Slits, The Undertones or Husker Du. I've heard Refused's The Shape Of Punk To Come but it was awful. It's possible that I'd enjoy some individual songs by these bands but I know I won't care about a full album so I'm not absolutely not interested in checking them out. My issue with punk is that it's lacking darkness and its aggression seems tame and pointless. It's kids throwing punches in the air. Fun music at best.

[dimejinky99]

The undertones are the most unsung band from this country. Never der get the credit they deserve and you're the first person from elsewhere I've ever even seen mention them online.

[Heathen]

I'd also like to mention that in anticipation to BadMusic's reply I've been spinning Plastic Betrand's "Ça plane pour moi" for the last several minutes.

everyone here would just laugh at you for this

[Blenheim Augustine]

"It is said that it is the Cyclops that gave Zeus his lightening bolts. The cyclops also gave Poseidon his trident and Hermes his helmet of invisibility. In around about way you could say it is the Cyclops who help the Gods beat the Titans. Without their magic weapons bestowed to the gods, the Titans would not have been able to be beaten."

"The Titans were overthrown by a race of younger gods, the Olympians, in the Titanomachy ("War of the Titans"). This represented a mythological paradigm shift that the Greeks may have borrowed from the Ancient Near East."

[Jorge]

I'm not gonna lie, there are songs by some of these bands that I like, but a) they barely sound like actual punk to me (e.g. 'Marquee Moon') b) it's probably a bit like classic rock songs that are shoved down your throat when you're young so you end up liking them out of brainwashing. I've never heard anything by The Slits, The Undertones or Husker Du. I've heard Refused's The Shape Of Punk To Come but it was awful. It's possible that I'd enjoy some individual songs by these bands but I know I won't care about a full album so I'm not absolutely not interested in checking them out. My issue with punk is that it's lacking darkness and its aggression seems tame and pointless. It's kids throwing punches in the air. Fun music at best.

Just to be clear, I didn't mean to mention those as examples of "the best punk bands" or "the most representative punk bands" or anything, just a few random names that popped into my brain when I thought about punk bands I really like. Your point about a lack of darkness and pointless aggression is a good one, but then, I just view it as really good pop music. To me, the tidal wave of innovative balls-to-the-wall rock music-- pumped-up youth anthems that combine Phil Spector girl-group melodies with Pete Townshend guitar aggression-- has never been equalled in pop music, and it to my eyes and ears it set the bar for the current indie scene, which draws on a lot of those influences as well. I've expressed that I enjoy several of your music recommendations, but I guess this is one genre where we don't see eye to eye. I fucking love punk music. It's great.

I'd also like to mention that in anticipation to BadMusic's reply I've been spinning Plastic Betrand's "Ça plane pour moi" for the last several minutes.

everyone here would just laugh at you for this

Maybe you and your grumpy friends. My fun french friends love that tune!

[dimejinky99]

"It is said that it is the Cyclops that gave Zeus his lightening bolts. The cyclops also gave Poseidon his trident and Hermes his helmet of invisibility. In around about way you could say it is the Cyclops who help the Gods beat the Titans. Without their magic weapons bestowed to the gods, the Titans would not have been able to be beaten."

"The Titans were overthrown by a race of younger gods, the Olympians, in the Titanomachy ("War of the Titans"). This represented a mythological paradigm shift that the Greeks may have borrowed from the Ancient Near East."

Wow. Thanks for that.

[stip]

First listen and I'm really disappointed in "Mind Your Manners." This is pretty much exactly the sort of thing I was holding out hope that this album wouldn't be. The bridge sounds like the fucking Offspring.

Well then what the heck were you hoping for?

Where to start.

Well, I'll start by just being as frank as I can think to be: I was hoping for something other than a straightforward rock song.

I realize Pearl Jam are a rock band, and that to a certain extent, straightforward rock songs are what they do. But you asked me what I was hoping for, and this is my honest answer. I'm just tired of this type of song. It doesn't necessarily sound like any one song in their catalog, and yet, if someone asked me to think up in my mind what "modern Pearl Jam" sounds like, this is pretty much the exact thing I'd think up. So, in that regard, I guess the one simple thing I'd hoped for is that Pearl Jam would transcend my expectations. It's been a long time since they've transcended my expectations. I miss them transcending my expectations.


(On that same note, I've reached my breaking point with Ed's redundant lyrical themes and bullshit new age platitudes. "Self-realized and metaphysically redeemed"--sounds like he's about one unthought away from commissioning Sylvia Browne to write the liner notes to his next solo album, which will be packaged just like "No Code" only using tarot cards instead of Polaroids.)

yeah, I can see getting tired of some of these lyrical themes, although he seems to be railing against them here. It's not Better Days II. Hopefully there's other stuff on the record to surprise you. In this day and age a single is probably just not going to do what you want it to do.

[stip]

as per our long conversation last night, punk is one of those genre's i've never liked or gotten into, but would trust pearl jam to take me to. And it may be a retread of what the genre normally does, but it will feel fresh(ish) to me.

[zatara]

Lightning Bolt

[stip]

man, my signature is annoying. I think I should change it.

[Heathen]

I'm not gonna lie, there are songs by some of these bands that I like, but a) they barely sound like actual punk to me (e.g. 'Marquee Moon') b) it's probably a bit like classic rock songs that are shoved down your throat when you're young so you end up liking them out of brainwashing. I've never heard anything by The Slits, The Undertones or Husker Du. I've heard Refused's The Shape Of Punk To Come but it was awful. It's possible that I'd enjoy some individual songs by these bands but I know I won't care about a full album so I'm not absolutely not interested in checking them out. My issue with punk is that it's lacking darkness and its aggression seems tame and pointless. It's kids throwing punches in the air. Fun music at best.

Just to be clear, I didn't mean to mention those as examples of "the best punk bands" or "the most representative punk bands" or anything, just a few random names that popped into my brain when I thought about punk bands I really like. Your point about a lack of darkness and pointless aggression is a good one, but then, I just view it as really good pop music. To me, the tidal wave of innovative balls-to-the-wall rock music-- pumped-up youth anthems that combine Phil Spector girl-group melodies with Pete Townshend guitar aggression-- has never been equalled in pop music, and it to my eyes and ears it set the bar for the current indie scene, which draws on a lot of those influences as well. I've expressed that I enjoy several of your music recommendations, but I guess this is one genre where we don't see eye to eye. I fucking love punk music. It's great.

I'd also like to mention that in anticipation to BadMusic's reply I've been spinning Plastic Betrand's "Ça plane pour moi" for the last several minutes.

everyone here would just laugh at you for this

Maybe you and your grumpy friends. My fun french friends love that tune!

yeah hipsters love tacky music

it's the kind of stuff that they play at lame family/wedding parties where you're just embarrassed for everyone involved