Let's All Laugh at Pitchfork

[Simple Torture]

creative...Chud

lol

[Kevin Davis]

Trag, you hang a weird level of almost moral accountability on artists for making music which you feel to be "unchallenging" or "derivative"; it's almost as if you legitimately believe Solange should experience a crisis of conscience and give her (100% transferable, obviously) record contract and marketing dollars to some art-school dip who makes experimental noise collages because she's Beyonce's sister and hey why not let someone who isn't a Knowles have a break for a change. I think you grossly overestimate the extent to which artists are able to objectively discern whether their own work is "boring" (a vague, virtually meaningless adjective in music criticism) or "derivative" (what isn't?), assuming not only that such a thing would register with an artist, but that the artist then ought to have the common decency to simply step aside so that someone "more talented" (again, a term so subjective and multi-faceted as to be practically useless) can have a chance, all because his or her own music doesn't conform to some high-minded bullshit ideals about art that maybe 0.5% of the population even gives a rat's ass about to begin with. Most musicians, famous ones included I'd bet, make music because they like making music, not because of some deep need to fulfill the requirements of some obscure aesthetic checklist. I'd also be willing to bet that, were you to divide the world's musician population into quadrants thusly: 1) famous musicians who deserve fame, 2) famous musicians who deserve obscurity, 3) obscure musicians who deserve fame, and 4) obscure musicians who deserve obscurity -- quadrant 4 would comprise the overwhelming majority of the total number. So it's not like there's no justice in this world.

I love music more than most anything in the world. But it's just music. It's there for people to enjoy, and way more of this secondary stuff is in the eye of the beholder than you seem prepared to accept. If Kaius finds Solange "not boring" and "not derivative" and "challenging enough," what then? Is this sufficient for her music to still exist? Or should she still just feel so bad about being Beyonce's sister that she should just throw in the towel on principle?

[Strat]

Trag, you hang a weird level of almost moral accountability on artists for making music which you feel to be "unchallenging" or "derivative"; it's almost as if you legitimately believe Solange should experience a crisis of conscience and give her (100% transferable, obviously) record contract and marketing dollars to some art-school dip who makes experimental noise collages because she's Beyonce's sister and hey why not let someone who isn't a Knowles have a break for a change. I think you grossly overestimate the extent to which artists are able to objectively discern whether their own work is "boring" (a vague, virtually meaningless adjective in music criticism) or "derivative" (what isn't?), assuming not only that such a thing would register with an artist, but that the artist then ought to have the common decency to simply step aside so that someone "more talented" (again, a term so subjective and multi-faceted as to be practically useless) can have a chance, all because his or her own music doesn't conform to some high-minded bullshit ideals about art that maybe 0.5% of the population even gives a rat's ass about to begin with. I'd also be willing to bet that, were you to divide the world's musician population into quadrants thusly: 1) famous musicians who deserve fame, 2) famous musicians who deserve obscurity, 3) obscure musicians who deserve fame, and 4) obscure musicians who deserve obscurity -- quadrant 4 would comprise the overwhelming majority of the total number. So it's not like there's no justice in this world.

I love music more than most anything in the world. But it's just music. It's there for people to enjoy, and way more of this secondary stuff is in the eye of the beholder than you seem prepared to accept. If Kaius finds Solange "not boring" and "not derivative" and "challenging enough," what then? Is this sufficient for her music to still exist? Or should she still just feel so bad about being Beyonce's sister that she should just throw in the towel on principle?

Im totes in the 4th quadrant.

Also, i agree with KD but we are on the internet and these dumb discussion is what we do. Right?

[LoathedVermin72]

Thank God for Kevin Davis

[Kevin Davis]

Absolutely, Strat. We're on a music message board because we favor a specialist's approach to music appreciation. But I think expecting the world at large to adopt that same specialist's mindset is only going to drive you nuts.

It reminds me of those wackos on the Steve Hoffman forums who just can't understand why someone wouldn't want to compare the wave forms from 100 different versions of "Pet Sounds" just to find the "best" mastering. It's just a specialist's business; the rest of the world has better things to worry about.

[Kaius]

Thank God for Kevin Davis

He made me look like a helpless wimp during his literal onslaught so this is bittersweet.

[Norah]

creative...Chud

lol

wtf man

[tragabigzanda]

Top 10 maybe?
Hello Morning
Close Captioned
The Kill
Place/Position
Do You Like Me?
Latest Disgrace
Recap Modotti
Nightshop
Break
Life & Limb

I'd maybe bump Life & Limb for Epic Problem

[Simple Torture]

creative...Chud

lol

wtf man

Baseball's back, chud, let's not get caught up in silly little jokes!

[LoathedVermin72]

holy fuck trag

[Strat]

yea that is an awful song

[tragabigzanda]

[Kaius]

trag, have you listened to anything by Solange besides that 5-year old video for "Losing You" I posted?

[Strat]

yea that is an awful song

I feel better already.

It sounds like a living room karaoke version of a bad madonna song

[BurtReynolds]

Solange has to be the least attractive name I can think of.

[Kaius]

Oh look the other hippie, hipster ski bro doesn't like the pop song HOW BOW DAH.

[Kaius]

Oh look there's a synthbeat in this song and she's a girl must be a madonna knock off HUR DUR

[Strat]

Oh look the other hippie, hipster ski bro doesn't like the pop song HOW BOW DAH.

JT or GTFO

[Kaius]

Solange has to be the least attractive name I can think of.

Spoiler: show

Racist

[Kaius]

Oh look the other hippie, hipster ski bro doesn't like the pop song HOW BOW DAH.

JT or GTFO

Go listen to some Chris Stapleton or whatever