Rival vs. Grievance

Post by **stip** » Tue March 21, 2017 10:52 pm

Voting ends 3/22

Winner advances

Post by **stip** » Tue March 21, 2017 10:52 pm

I like both of these songs a lot (probably the two best on Binaural) and my vote is completely open to whoever makes the most persuasive argument

Post by **evenslow** » Tue March 21, 2017 10:59 pm

It's Rival, stip.

Post by **evenslow** » Tue March 21, 2017 11:00 pm

Did I persuade you?

darth_vedder · Post by **darth_vedder** » Tue March 21, 2017 11:13 pm

Rival for sure.

LetMeSleep · Post by **LetMeSleep** » Tue March 21, 2017 11:14 pm

Grievance by a millimetre.

bodysnatcher · Post by **bodysnatcher** » Tue March 21, 2017 11:28 pm

stip wrote:I like both of these songs a lot (probably the two best on Binaural) and my vote is completely open to whoever makes the most persuasive argument

1. They sample a dog's growl to open the song and base the opening rhythm on it
2. One of the closest Matt has come to sounding like Jack
3. Those off-kilter layered Ed vocals
4. The lyrics (both of these songs are still incredibly relevant)
5. The looseness of the vocals and hearing Ed react to some of them as he pulls away from the mic
6. That piano. Ohhhh, that piano.
7. The jingle bells.
8. Stone

Birds in Hell · Post by **Birds in Hell** » Tue March 21, 2017 11:32 pm

Rival, I guess.

Post by **stip** » Tue March 21, 2017 11:34 pm

bodysnatcher wrote:
stip wrote:I like both of these songs a lot (probably the two best on Binaural) and my vote is completely open to whoever makes the most persuasive argument
1. They sample a dog's growl to open the song and base the opening rhythm on it
2. One of the closest Matt has come to sounding like Jack
3. Those off-kilter layered Ed vocals
4. The lyrics (both of these songs are still incredibly relevant)
5. The looseness of the vocals and hearing Ed react to some of them as he pulls away from the mic
6. That piano. Ohhhh, that piano.
7. The jingle bells.
8. Stone

this is persuasive. Grievance, your rebuttal?

tragabigzanda · Post by **tragabigzanda** » Tue March 21, 2017 11:38 pm

The stuttering riff during "Big guy, big eye, watching me..." is one of the most badass rock n' roll moments ever committed to tape. Plus Mike looked like a dark wizard when they debuted the song on Letterman.

chewm · Post by **chewm** » Tue March 21, 2017 11:40 pm

Grievance, but I like these 2 about the same.

bodysnatcher · Post by **bodysnatcher** » Tue March 21, 2017 11:42 pm

tragabigzanda wrote:The stuttering riff during "Big guy, big eye, watching me..." is one of the most badass rock n' roll moments ever committed to tape.

yeah man, that part gives me chills every single time i listen to that song

Off the top of my head without putting much thought into, this is one of the very few songs – the only? – in the catalogue where Matt is clearly in the driver's seat, and takes this song where it needs to go. And it fucking rules. Ever since, it feels like he's just kinda keeping rhythm.

The song shift of the outro of Grievance never really grabbed me though. That's my only knock against it, personally.

PHATJ · Post by **PHATJ** » Wed March 22, 2017 12:52 am

...and this nation's about to explode...

LoathedVermin72 · Post by **LoathedVermin72** » Wed March 22, 2017 12:53 am

I think these are both mid-tier. Rival is a little better than Grievance.

Post by **Jorge** » Wed March 22, 2017 12:55 am

"Grievance" has a better ending. "Grievance" it is

LuNY · Post by **LuNY** » Wed March 22, 2017 1:03 am

How is Grievance losing to Rival? Grievance is one of their best songs, amazing arrangement, performance, writing, one of the most unique rock songs off all time. I like Rival, but just no, no.

tragabigzanda · Post by **tragabigzanda** » Wed March 22, 2017 1:06 am

LuNY wrote:How is Grievance losing to Rival? Grievance is one of their best songs, amazing arrangement, performance, writing, one of the most unique rock songs off all time. I like Rival, but just no, no.

I'm a Grievance voter, but I can dig it. Rival has one of the funnest guitar riffs I know.

Post by **evenslow** » Wed March 22, 2017 1:25 am

The Snatch (as I call him) and Alexbigzander (as I call him) both made perfect, succinct cases for each song.

Tie still goes to Rival.

LuNY · Post by **LuNY** » Wed March 22, 2017 1:39 am

Who is the Griever who is going to tie this shit up, were at 12 for Grievance and 13 for Rival, come on people this means nothing and everything to me all at once.

LetMeSleep · Post by **LetMeSleep** » Wed March 22, 2017 1:42 am

Averaging 50 votes so alive my way to go.

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