Celebration Rock with Steven Hyden (PJ Audio History)

[tragabigzanda]

pearl jam sucks now

[stip]

I'd be open to moderating it, provided someone can point me towards a good online platform for multiple voice streams? I can handle the audio on this end.

someone get this man this information!

[B]

I still think we should do our RM version of this.

I played with the idea of using stip's guided tours as a video podcast. I set one of the songs up with some teleprompter software and read it a bunch of times in front of a camera.

Sweet jesus, it was bad.

I hope someone can do better.

[B]

Wait. Did Hyden use the term PRAMG?

[stip]

I still think we should do our RM version of this.

I played with the idea of using stip's guided tours as a video podcast. I set one of the songs up with some teleprompter software and read it a bunch of times in front of a camera.

Sweet jesus, it was bad.

I hope someone can do better.

oh god those are not meant to be read outloud

[evenslow]

It'll keep me going after the march madness buzz ends (but I have what I hope will be a fun tournament idea to follow up)

A Beatles tourney???

[tragabigzanda]

pearl jam sucks now

[stip]

It'll keep me going after the march madness buzz ends (but I have what I hope will be a fun tournament idea to follow up)

A Beatles tourney???

shhhhh

[Tuolumne]

Agree with a lot of what Tuolumne said about this.

This last one was maybe the worst of the series (along with Yield guy who I'm not convinced has ever listened to that album all the way through). The interviewee just didn't have a ton to offer and it seemed like Hyden was kinda done by this point. Which would make him right at home on RM!

Letkemann definitely had the most insight. The first one about Ten really set the scene well too.

But overall it was just cool to hear people outside our bubble talking Pearl Jam.

I actually appreciated the Yield one, too. Just the whole aspect of what the narrative of the band is outside of this bubble. The Yield guy was an inner city black guy. Yield, or Pearl Jam for that matter, doesn't exactly reach this viewpoint on a regular or mass level. As a minority living in America, I can't tell you how much I appreciate this viewpoint. There may not be discussion here about layers, space, and the sound mix, but it shows the band in a different light then we are accustomed to. I find tons of value in that. If I wanted deep song-by-song analysis and notes on track sequencing and production and opinions on those sorts of details, there are plenty of those places already existent within the community. Hyden brought something a little different - which is an perspective outside the bubble, but a serious perspective and not the typical media narrative - which is usually some really lazy generalization. I'd love to hear more of this outside-the-bublle perspective. I have a feeling we could be, since the band's legacy is now being appreciated properly by a wider number of people and hopefully new people - 'new serious fans' emerge. Cause I'm tired of the 'old serious' fans. Kudos to him - but for chrissakes please work on the Dave A pronunciation buddy.

[VinylGuy]

i been listening to pj a lot these last couple of weeks, man their body of work is pretty amazing.

Tomorrow is going to be an emotional day fellas.

[Fuzzcharger]

I had 6 hours of driving this week so played these back to back. The whole Ament and Dave A pronunciation thing was pretty much unbearable by the time of the Yield podcast after consecutive listens. I think the Ten episode has been the best so far. I've never seen the Cuffaro video for Jeremy. This little side by side is pretty neat.

[B]

I still disagree on the Riot Act/Avocado split.

Avocado is obviously an album in transition, but the themes and sounds have much more in common with Binaural and Riot Act than Backspacer and Lightning Bolt.

Somewhere, we've got an "eras" thread, but I feel it goes:

Ten
Vs./Vitalogy
No Code/Yield
Binaural/Riot Act/Avocado
Backspacer/Lightning Bolt

[Birds in Hell]

I still disagree on the Riot Act/Avocado split.

Avocado is obviously an album in transition, but the themes and sounds have much more in common with Binaural and Riot Act than Backspacer and Lightning Bolt.

Somewhere, we've got an "eras" thread, but I feel it goes:

Ten
Vs./Vitalogy
No Code/Yield
Binaural/Riot Act/Avocado
Backspacer/Lightning Bolt

Yeah, totally agreed.

[evenslow]

I still disagree on the Riot Act/Avocado split.

Avocado is obviously an album in transition, but the themes and sounds have much more in common with Binaural and Riot Act than Backspacer and Lightning Bolt.

Somewhere, we've got an "eras" thread, but I feel it goes:

Ten
Vs./Vitalogy
No Code/Yield
Binaural/Riot Act/Avocado
Backspacer/Lightning Bolt

Yeah, totally agreed.

Looking back now I'd say S/T stands on its own.

[stip]

I still disagree on the Riot Act/Avocado split.

Avocado is obviously an album in transition, but the themes and sounds have much more in common with Binaural and Riot Act than Backspacer and Lightning Bolt.

Somewhere, we've got an "eras" thread, but I feel it goes:

Ten
Vs./Vitalogy
No Code/Yield
Binaural/Riot Act/Avocado
Backspacer/Lightning Bolt

Yeah, totally agreed.

i do too. S/T as an album is totally a response to Riot Act/Binaural thematically and musically.

[EJ]

Someone needs to make a Backspacer to Lightning Bolt logical extension .gif.

[Farmer John]

I still disagree on the Riot Act/Avocado split.

Avocado is obviously an album in transition, but the themes and sounds have much more in common with Binaural and Riot Act than Backspacer and Lightning Bolt.

Somewhere, we've got an "eras" thread, but I feel it goes:

Ten
Vs./Vitalogy
No Code/Yield
Binaural/Riot Act/Avocado
Backspacer/Lightning Bolt

Yeah, totally agreed.

i do too. S/T as an album is totally a response to Riot Act/Binaural thematically and musically.

Thematically, S/T fits nicely with Binaural/Riot Act, but the music to me is much more in line with Backspacer/Lightning Bolt. It really does bridge the gap between the exploration of the previous albums and the catchy, simple, "short and punchy" template of the next two. Imagine this album with the slick and glossy production of B'OB and its songs would fit seamlessly with BS/LB. It does still have a bit of that "five guys in a room together" feel that's lacking on BS/LB.

I think I'd put Avocado in its own era as the "official transition album".

[Monkey_Driven]

I still disagree on the Riot Act/Avocado split.

Avocado is obviously an album in transition, but the themes and sounds have much more in common with Binaural and Riot Act than Backspacer and Lightning Bolt.

Somewhere, we've got an "eras" thread, but I feel it goes:

Ten
Vs./Vitalogy
No Code/Yield
Binaural/Riot Act/Avocado
Backspacer/Lightning Bolt

Yeah, totally agreed.

i do too. S/T as an album is totally a response to Riot Act/Binaural thematically and musically.

Thematically, S/T fits nicely with Binaural/Riot Act, but the music to me is much more in line with Backspacer/Lightning Bolt. It really does bridge the gap between the exploration of the previous albums and the catchy, simple, "short and punchy" template of the next two. Imagine this album with the slick and glossy production of B'OB and its songs would fit seamlessly with BS/LB. It does still have a bit of that "five guys in a room together" feel that's lacking on BS/LB.

I think I'd put Avocado in its own era as the "official transition album".

Well said.

[epilogue]

I really liked the last episode of this podcast. It was a lot more satisfying to me (from beginning to end) than the previous two episodes (both of which I liked). Good finale.

As far as which era S/T belongs to... I think Farmer John said it best: it sort of stands alone as a transitional record. If we have to assign it to one or the other though, I'd lump it in more with Binaural and Riot Act than with BS and LB.

[stip]

if pearl jam had a long enough career arc I'd actually lump Ten - Backspacer as one stage and L-bolt as the start of a second. There is a thematic throughline running through the first 9 albums. You can draw connections between Backspacer and L-Bolt, but L-bolt really marks the start of a fresh set of themes.