Strat wrote:But these assumptions against Eddie/ Pearl Jam are just ridiculous.
Ed has said nice things to Dave a over the past year most recently last night. They invited the drummers (Dave is the only to not take that as an invite) and he puts up a stink. Maybe Dave a is the brat here. Why is the assumption ed is the continuing asshole ? Nobody knows.
Again, how do you know? Was it an actual invite? In that public statement they basically said "yeah he can come", but what does that entail? Come join me on this trip to Speculationtown: I get the impression that Dave A. is very much a "working musician", and those HOF seats are pricey; maybe he just couldn't afford it. Did the band offer to pay for his attendance? It feels like they're in a position where they could easily put him up if they really wanted him to be there. OK, another theory: maybe money's not the issue, but Dave A. just wasn't invited to perform with the band on stage. Wouldn't it feel a little weird to be sitting as, essentially, an audience member while your former band-- the band that fired you-- is getting inducted, and you don't even get to perform with them afterwards? One more: maybe Dave's beef isn't with the band, but with the HOF for not inducting him. His last Facebook post talks about how his daughter "wishes they'd changed their mind", but it's not clear whether he's talking about the band or the HOF as an organization. Maybe he used to be under the impression that the band was able to convince them to induct him, and then when it was proven that they weren't, Dave's frustration shifted to the HOF. I dunno man! So many possible scenarios here, and we don't really know anything. The band may or may not be at fault. But just like we shouldn't assume Ed is the asshole, doesn't it feel kind of fucked up to hear people say "fuck Dave A! What a brat! What a whiny pissbaby!" when we haven't even heard his side of it? *SHRUG*
Why the fuck would they want him there? Do you want your ex wife that you dumped at your 50th birthday party? She had a lot to do with what you became and probably deserves to be there but really?
Look, it's a very odd thing. He wasn't a founder of the band but he *basically* was but because he wasn't he was easily able to be canned. It's pretty unfair but who gives a shit?
Yes, he should have been inducted into the HOF. He is the most important Pearl Jam drummer. But who gives a shit, really.
And by the way, everything Dave A. has done and said the last 6 months points to him being a royal douchebag. Would you want to be friends with this guy?
"I'll have an official statement out soon..."
lolololol.
The best was his 5 min video for the gofundme documentary they are trying to make on him. Douche central.
given2trade wrote:And by the way, everything Dave A. has done and said the last 6 months points to him being a royal douchebag. Would you want to be friends with this guy?
I don't know. I would not want to be friends with a guy like Ed either. I don't see what that's got to do with anything.
Anders wrote:I do not have a «neoliberal assessment of geopolitics», so please stop writing that I do.
given2trade wrote:And by the way, everything Dave A. has done and said the last 6 months points to him being a royal douchebag. Would you want to be friends with this guy?
I don't know. I would not want to be friends with a guy like Ed either. I don't see what that's got to do with anything.
you're not alone.
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Strat wrote:But these assumptions against Eddie/ Pearl Jam are just ridiculous.
Ed has said nice things to Dave a over the past year most recently last night. They invited the drummers (Dave is the only to not take that as an invite) and he puts up a stink. Maybe Dave a is the brat here. Why is the assumption ed is the continuing asshole ? Nobody knows.
Again, how do you know? Was it an actual invite? In that public statement they basically said "yeah he can come", but what does that entail? Come join me on this trip to Speculationtown: I get the impression that Dave A. is very much a "working musician", and those HOF seats are pricey; maybe he just couldn't afford it. Did the band offer to pay for his attendance? It feels like they're in a position where they could easily put him up if they really wanted him to be there. OK, another theory: maybe money's not the issue, but Dave A. just wasn't invited to perform with the band on stage. Wouldn't it feel a little weird to be sitting as, essentially, an audience member while your former band-- the band that fired you-- is getting inducted, and you don't even get to perform with them afterwards? One more: maybe Dave's beef isn't with the band, but with the HOF for not inducting him. His last Facebook post talks about how his daughter "wishes they'd changed their mind", but it's not clear whether he's talking about the band or the HOF as an organization. Maybe he used to be under the impression that the band was able to convince them to induct him, and then when it was proven that they weren't, Dave's frustration shifted to the HOF. I dunno man! So many possible scenarios here, and we don't really know anything. The band may or may not be at fault. But just like we shouldn't assume Ed is the asshole, doesn't it feel kind of fucked up to hear people say "fuck Dave A! What a brat! What a whiny pissbaby!" when we haven't even heard his side of it? *SHRUG*
Why the fuck would they want him there? Do you want your ex wife that you dumped at your 50th birthday party? She had a lot to do with what you became and probably deserves to be there but really?
Look, it's a very odd thing. He wasn't a founder of the band but he *basically* was but because he wasn't he was easily able to be canned. It's pretty unfair but who gives a shit?
Yes, he should have been inducted into the HOF. He is the most important Pearl Jam drummer. But who gives a shit, really.
It sounds like we're equal levels of ambivalent about the whole thing. I'm just advocating for not dumping on poor Dave A. just because he's understandably miffed, all the while giving Ed & the band the benefit of the doubt. Whatever, it would've been nice to see him there, it didn't work out, let's move on.
Anders wrote:I do not have a «neoliberal assessment of geopolitics», so please stop writing that I do.
given2trade wrote:And by the way, everything Dave A. has done and said the last 6 months points to him being a royal douchebag. Would you want to be friends with this guy?
I don't know. I would not want to be friends with a guy like Ed either. I don't see what that's got to do with anything.
He seems to have a lot of great friendships. What's wrong with Ed as a friend?
given2trade wrote:And by the way, everything Dave A. has done and said the last 6 months points to him being a royal douchebag. Would you want to be friends with this guy?
I don't know. I would not want to be friends with a guy like Ed either. I don't see what that's got to do with anything.
He seems to have a lot of great friendships. What's wrong with Ed as a friend?
given2trade wrote:And by the way, everything Dave A. has done and said the last 6 months points to him being a royal douchebag. Would you want to be friends with this guy?
I don't know. I would not want to be friends with a guy like Ed either. I don't see what that's got to do with anything.
He seems to have a lot of great friendships. What's wrong with Ed as a friend?
given2trade wrote:And by the way, everything Dave A. has done and said the last 6 months points to him being a royal douchebag. Would you want to be friends with this guy?
I don't know. I would not want to be friends with a guy like Ed either. I don't see what that's got to do with anything.
He seems to have a lot of great friendships. What's wrong with Ed as a friend?
Well, my mind is immediately going to all the negative things I know about him (kind of an asshole to his subordinates, aloof, smug, not particularly eloquent, etc), but yeah, you're right, he's probably a lovely guy to know and spend time with. What I am saying is people are complex and Dave's probably not a complete douchecanoe either. I feel compelled to stick up for Dave A. right now 'cause people are bashing him when he's already down-- and from the information we have (again, other stuff might come to light, but probably not), all the "fuck Dave A. the crybaby" stuff is not justified.
Anders wrote:I do not have a «neoliberal assessment of geopolitics», so please stop writing that I do.
given2trade wrote:And by the way, everything Dave A. has done and said the last 6 months points to him being a royal douchebag. Would you want to be friends with this guy?
I don't know. I would not want to be friends with a guy like Ed either. I don't see what that's got to do with anything.
He seems to have a lot of great friendships. What's wrong with Ed as a friend?
Well, my mind is immediately going to all the negative things I know about him (kind of an asshole to his subordinates, aloof, smug, not particularly eloquent, etc), but yeah, you're right, he's probably a lovely guy to know and spend time with. What I am saying is people are complex and Dave's probably not a complete douchecanoe either. I feel compelled to stick up for Dave A. right now 'cause people are bashing him when he's already down-- and from the information we have (again, other stuff might come to light, but probably not), all the "fuck Dave A. the crybaby" stuff is not justified.
Come on...you didn't lol at "an official statement is coming but..."
I just took it to mean "I'll speak on this at greater length later on. For now: congrats to the band, enjoy your night". Kinda puzzled as to why you're stuck on that line.
Anders wrote:I do not have a «neoliberal assessment of geopolitics», so please stop writing that I do.
theplatypus wrote:I just took it to mean "I'll speak on this at greater length later on. For now: congrats to the band, enjoy your night". Kinda puzzled as to why you're stuck on that line.
I'll tell you why. Cause I think he would have been much more effective being gracious about the whole thing and letting the fans do the talking. Instead he made a big hoopla about it. A simple facebook post with his thoughts wouldn't suffice? He had to let us know that more will be coming on the matter? Jesus fucking christ. Your final 15 min is up bro. I'm sorry.
Geez, have some empathy. Dude's probably bummed out and feeling like his one claim to fame is being effectively erased from the history books. I'd be posting morose shit on Facebook too.
Anders wrote:I do not have a «neoliberal assessment of geopolitics», so please stop writing that I do.
theplatypus wrote:Geez, have some empathy. Dude's probably bummed out and feeling like his one claim to fame is being effectively erased from the history books. I'd be posting morose shit on Facebook too.
He has spent better part of a year narrating the story. We're not talking about a one off facebook post.
He was fired from a band he didn't found. The hall of fame has dumb rules for how they induct people. The entire concept of the hall of fame is dumb. But in reality, Dave A isn't pissed about not being in the HOF. He's pissed he's not worth millions and famous. And I'd be too!
