Punk and Pearl Jam: A definitions thread

[Anders]

Whenever Pearl Jam goes punk is when they fail. They are much better when they are pure hard rock. It's where they started with Ten, and where they peaked in the mid to late 90's.

WTF is 'pure hard rock'? The kind of music you like, eh?

To name two bands of hundreds out there, Pearl Jam and Soundgarden are mostly hard rock, pure is just a word to signify that sound when it's not mixed up with rap, classical music, hip hop, punk or other genres. I realize that humans will make thousands of genres if you let us, but in the very broad strokes it's impossible not to. Punk is definitely a type of sound (which has been described accurately earlier in the thread). Equally hard rock should also be an easily definable genre. Let's say R.E.M and U2 are rock, Metallica and Iron Maiden are heavy metal, hard rock is somewhere in between. Wikipedia says: "Hard rock is a loosely defined subgenre of rock music which has its earliest roots in mid-1960s garage rock, blues rock and psychedelic rock. It is typified by a heavy use of distorted electric guitars, bass guitar, drums, and often accompanied with pianos and keyboards."

To answer your question I like lots of music, no matter the genre, but Pearl Jam has remained my favorite band for twenty years now, mostly because of their hard rock sound, growing up with Ten/Vs/Vitalogy and finally the fantastic No Code/Yield period. Pearl Jam doing punk music however, is not something I look forward to.

[harmless]

Whenever Pearl Jam goes punk is when they fail. They are much better when they are pure hard rock. It's where they started with Ten, and where they peaked in the mid to late 90's.

WTF is 'pure hard rock'? The kind of music you like, eh?

To name two bands of hundreds out there, Pearl Jam and Soundgarden are mostly hard rock, pure is just a word to signify that sound when it's not mixed up with rap, classical music, hip hop, punk or other genres. I realize that humans will make thousands of genres if you let us, but in the very broad strokes it's impossible not to. Punk is definitely a type of sound (which has been described accurately earlier in the thread). Equally hard rock should also be an easily definable genre. Let's say R.E.M and U2 are rock, Metallica and Iron Maiden are heavy metal, hard rock is somewhere in between. Wikipedia says: "Hard rock is a loosely defined subgenre of rock music which has its earliest roots in mid-1960s garage rock, blues rock and psychedelic rock. It is typified by a heavy use of distorted electric guitars, bass guitar, drums, and often accompanied with pianos and keyboards."

To answer your question I like lots of music, no matter the genre, but Pearl Jam has remained my favorite band for twenty years now, mostly because of their hard rock sound, growing up with Ten/Vs/Vitalogy and finally the fantastic No Code/Yield period. Pearl Jam doing punk music however, is not something I look forward to.

I know what hard rock is. But it's never 'pure' and PJ have been borrowing from other genres for ever. Kurt Cobain thought Ten was full of classic cock rock.

[BurtReynolds]

calm down.

[harmless]

calm down.

Me? No, you calm down!

[harmless]

That WTF post was slightly misplaced. I was wound up when I wrote it (ages ago, I didn't even remember I'd said it -- might've even been drunk).

[McParadigm]

When we look back at this year, all we will remember about it is that none of us had any idea what any type of music was, apparently.

[Anders]

Whenever Pearl Jam goes punk is when they fail. They are much better when they are pure hard rock. It's where they started with Ten, and where they peaked in the mid to late 90's.

WTF is 'pure hard rock'? The kind of music you like, eh?

To name two bands of hundreds out there, Pearl Jam and Soundgarden are mostly hard rock, pure is just a word to signify that sound when it's not mixed up with rap, classical music, hip hop, punk or other genres. I realize that humans will make thousands of genres if you let us, but in the very broad strokes it's impossible not to. Punk is definitely a type of sound (which has been described accurately earlier in the thread). Equally hard rock should also be an easily definable genre. Let's say R.E.M and U2 are rock, Metallica and Iron Maiden are heavy metal, hard rock is somewhere in between. Wikipedia says: "Hard rock is a loosely defined subgenre of rock music which has its earliest roots in mid-1960s garage rock, blues rock and psychedelic rock. It is typified by a heavy use of distorted electric guitars, bass guitar, drums, and often accompanied with pianos and keyboards."

To answer your question I like lots of music, no matter the genre, but Pearl Jam has remained my favorite band for twenty years now, mostly because of their hard rock sound, growing up with Ten/Vs/Vitalogy and finally the fantastic No Code/Yield period. Pearl Jam doing punk music however, is not something I look forward to.

I know what hard rock is. But it's never 'pure' and PJ have been borrowing from other genres for ever. Kurt Cobain thought Ten was full of classic cock rock.

Kurt Cobain would say anything about Pearl Jam. He later apologized.

I don't see (early) Pearl Jam as all that experimental. Of course they had influences, but Ten was hard rock, not much else.

Over the years they have experimented a bit more, although never straying too far from the tree. They are mostly a great rock band, which does slow songs really well. When they try to be a punk band is when they fail.

[harmless]

Sounds like a good reputation for 2013 to have.

[lecherouslittlestump]

I don't think there are any 'punk' songs on Ten and VS. I think they only start appearing on Vitalogy, which I think may be a reaction to all of the 'corporate rock' criticism they were getting at the time (and not being seen as 'credible' compared to Nirvana)

[harmless]

Whenever Pearl Jam goes punk is when they fail. They are much better when they are pure hard rock. It's where they started with Ten, and where they peaked in the mid to late 90's.

WTF is 'pure hard rock'? The kind of music you like, eh?

To name two bands of hundreds out there, Pearl Jam and Soundgarden are mostly hard rock, pure is just a word to signify that sound when it's not mixed up with rap, classical music, hip hop, punk or other genres. I realize that humans will make thousands of genres if you let us, but in the very broad strokes it's impossible not to. Punk is definitely a type of sound (which has been described accurately earlier in the thread). Equally hard rock should also be an easily definable genre. Let's say R.E.M and U2 are rock, Metallica and Iron Maiden are heavy metal, hard rock is somewhere in between. Wikipedia says: "Hard rock is a loosely defined subgenre of rock music which has its earliest roots in mid-1960s garage rock, blues rock and psychedelic rock. It is typified by a heavy use of distorted electric guitars, bass guitar, drums, and often accompanied with pianos and keyboards."

To answer your question I like lots of music, no matter the genre, but Pearl Jam has remained my favorite band for twenty years now, mostly because of their hard rock sound, growing up with Ten/Vs/Vitalogy and finally the fantastic No Code/Yield period. Pearl Jam doing punk music however, is not something I look forward to.

I know what hard rock is. But it's never 'pure' and PJ have been borrowing from other genres for ever. Kurt Cobain thought Ten was full of classic cock rock.

Kurt Cobain would say anything about Pearl Jam. He later apologized.

I don't see (early) Pearl Jam as all that experimental. Of course they had influences, but Ten was hard rock, not much else.

Over the years they have experimented a bit more, although never straying too far from the tree. They are mostly a great rock band, which does slow songs really well. When they try to be a punk band is when they fail.

I didn't say Ten was experimental... did I? Derivative is not the same as experimental.

[Kevin Davis]

Opposites, some might say.

[dimejinky99]

Shortest KD post ever!?

[Anders]

If you make non experimental hard rock, you are left with hard rock. Ten being derivative is not something I ever had any issue with.

[harmless]

If you make non experimental hard rock, you are left with hard rock. Ten being derivative is not something I ever had any issue with.

I didn't say I had an issue with it either, just that PJ aren't experimental. I don't know what point you're trying to make anymore. You started (I think) by saying that MYM borrowed too much from punk. I just said they'd done it before.

[Jorge]

Shortest KD post ever!?

Nope.

[Kevin Davis]

Let's break a record today.

[Kevin Davis]

[dimejinky99]

Let me end this debacle.
36 pop punk albums you need to hear.
http://dyingscene.com/news/36-pop-punk- ... d-to-hear/

[Jorge]

Let me end this debacle.
36 pop punk albums you need to hear.
http://dyingscene.com/news/36-pop-punk- ... d-to-hear/

I love a bunch of those albums, but "pop punk" is just one of several subgenres.

[Anders]

If you make non experimental hard rock, you are left with hard rock. Ten being derivative is not something I ever had any issue with.

I didn't say I had an issue with it either, just that PJ aren't experimental. I don't know what point you're trying to make anymore. You started (I think) by saying that MYM borrowed too much from punk. I just said they'd done it before.

My point was always that Pearl Jam is at their worst when they do punk, and that I would prefer an album based on hard rock (probably with one or two slower songs).