2017 NFL Offseason

[96583UP]

Myles Garrett's self-absorption is beginning to flirt with RG3 levels

[epilogue]

Let's all just take a moment to think of Steve Atwater

Man. I thought we were friends, doug.

There is a much, much deeper cut that Broncos fans can inflict upon Chiefs fans regarding the similarity of Charles's defection, but as you said, you're looking for support right now, not more wounds.

Oh totally. It just sucks to see a guy like that go to your biggest rival. Honestly, I just hope the guy doesn't get hurt again. He's one bad cut away from ruining his walking life.

O RLY? I'd be curious as to what you mean by "biggest". I suppose I could call the Chiefs my "biggest" rival in the sense of being the team that's the greatest threat in winning the division, but "biggest" as in "most hated" is and always will be the Raiders, and I'm pretty certain you agree with that.

Younger Chiefs fans seem to hate the Broncos more, and I think those whippersnapers are too young to remember how big of a deal Marcus Allen's defection and Martyball's declaration of "Raiders week" were in the early 90s.

Let's be clear: The Raiders are the team I hate the most. They are the absolute living WORST. But the Broncos are consistently good. Therefore, they are a "bigger" rival. That's all I meant by that. It's backhanded, perhaps, but it's still a compliment. I respect the Broncos. I'll never respect the Raiders.

[Green Habit]

Let's all just take a moment to think of Steve Atwater

Man. I thought we were friends, doug.

There is a much, much deeper cut that Broncos fans can inflict upon Chiefs fans regarding the similarity of Charles's defection, but as you said, you're looking for support right now, not more wounds.

Oh totally. It just sucks to see a guy like that go to your biggest rival. Honestly, I just hope the guy doesn't get hurt again. He's one bad cut away from ruining his walking life.

O RLY? I'd be curious as to what you mean by "biggest". I suppose I could call the Chiefs my "biggest" rival in the sense of being the team that's the greatest threat in winning the division, but "biggest" as in "most hated" is and always will be the Raiders, and I'm pretty certain you agree with that.

Younger Chiefs fans seem to hate the Broncos more, and I think those whippersnapers are too young to remember how big of a deal Marcus Allen's defection and Martyball's declaration of "Raiders week" were in the early 90s.

Let's be clear: The Raiders are the team I hate the most. They are the absolute living WORST. But the Broncos are consistently good. Therefore, they are a "bigger" rival. That's all I meant by that. It's backhanded, perhaps, but it's still a compliment. I respect the Broncos. I'll never respect the Raiders.

[E.H. Ruddock]

I am not a Kapernick fan by any means, but man he is being totally wronged here. Gabbert just signed a deal but Kapernick can't? How is the league letting this happen, a man being punished for sticking to his beliefs, but letting abusers, drunk drivers, etc. keep playing? It pisses me off, actually.

[i got bugs]

I agree, he's better than anyone on the Jets..

A bunch of my buddies, blue collar type steelers fans who were annoyed by him all year don't want him.. which I don't get because Ben is always hurt and Landry Jones is an automatic loss

[Electromatic]

I am not a Kapernick fan by any means, but man he is being totally wronged here. Gabbert just signed a deal but Kapernick can't? How is the league letting this happen, a man being punished for sticking to his beliefs, but letting abusers, drunk drivers, etc. keep playing? It pisses me off, actually.

The league has a very odd way of measuring QB's value. The major issue with him is the position he plays. If he was a defensive end or a Linebacker, running back... no problem.

The fact that he's a QB... teams don't believe he's a good enough QB to warrant the distraction it would cause having him on the team. Some fans and owners "plant their flag" on the oddest issues.

Does anyone really think Blaine Gabbert brings more ability to a team? I doubt it, but the Cardinals mostly hope that no one knows or cares anything about Gabbert because he's a backup.

I don't think anyone wants Kaepernick to start and thus they'd rather he be seen and not heard. That said... even Vick came back so I find it interesting that no one is even interested in taking a flyer. It's still early though.

[Orpheus]

I am not a Kapernick fan by any means, but man he is being totally wronged here. Gabbert just signed a deal but Kapernick can't? How is the league letting this happen, a man being punished for sticking to his beliefs, but letting abusers, drunk drivers, etc. keep playing? It pisses me off, actually.

This is what I meant when I called the NFL conservative. It values money, faux patriotism and doing things the right way, bah god, but it doesn't actually have any connection to any sort of progressive morality or an actual moral compass.

[Orpheus]

And I disagree Electro, he'd be blackballed at any position, and they'd have an easier time getting away with it because there isn't a scarcity of talent at other positions like there is QB. Right now he sticks out like a sore thumb while people ink guys like Glennon and Gabbert to contracts.

[96583UP]

Kaepernick will also be 30 in Nov, and had a massive injury and came back looking like shit

some would argue that the only reason he was competitive when he was was due to his physicality, and coach harbaugh

and without either of those, coming off this injury, is he really worth using up a roster spot; or trying to develop someone younger?








plus he's black/uppity

[Simple Torture]

There was some talk a few months ago that Kaepernick was looking for $10m+, even if he was going to be a backup, and that that was what was driving teams away. I think it can be a combination of that and what 96583UP mentioned: his play style requires a very specific kind of system, and few teams (Carolina? Maybe Seattle?) have one in place to match his skillset, and they happen to be the teams that probably won't overpay for a backup. I'm not saying there's no blackballing going on, but it doesn't have to be the only factor (his protesting aside, I still think there's a large contingent in the NFL's fanbase and maybe un league offices that think black QBs don't "work").

[Self]

There was some talk a few months ago that Kaepernick was looking for $10m+, even if he was going to be a backup, and that that was what was driving teams away. I think it can be a combination of that and what 96583UP mentioned: his play style requires a very specific kind of system, and few teams (Carolina? Maybe Seattle?) have one in place to match his skillset, and they happen to be the teams that probably won't overpay for a backup. I'm not saying there's no blackballing going on, but it doesn't have to be the only factor (his protesting aside, I still think there's a large contingent in the NFL's fanbase and maybe un league offices that think black QBs don't "work").

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... percolate/

[Simple Torture]

There was some talk a few months ago that Kaepernick was looking for $10m+, even if he was going to be a backup, and that that was what was driving teams away. I think it can be a combination of that and what 96583UP mentioned: his play style requires a very specific kind of system, and few teams (Carolina? Maybe Seattle?) have one in place to match his skillset, and they happen to be the teams that probably won't overpay for a backup. I'm not saying there's no blackballing going on, but it doesn't have to be the only factor (his protesting aside, I still think there's a large contingent in the NFL's fanbase and maybe un league offices that think black QBs don't "work").

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... percolate/

I hadn't heard that that figure was unsubstantiated--that's a good link.

[Green Habit]

Kaepernick is absolutely getting blackballed. I think the deciding proof is not so much that he hasn't been signed, but there hasn't been any good evidence that he's even visited or negotiated with teams.

And while it's true that as a whole NFL owners lean to the right, what I've been reading is that they were more pissed off about Kaepernick making any type of political statement at all on such a prominent stage. They want the NFL to be as apolitical as possible because they see it as a refuge for people that want a relief from the political madness.

[Electromatic]

I am not a Kapernick fan by any means, but man he is being totally wronged here. Gabbert just signed a deal but Kapernick can't? How is the league letting this happen, a man being punished for sticking to his beliefs, but letting abusers, drunk drivers, etc. keep playing? It pisses me off, actually.

This is what I meant when I called the NFL conservative. It values money, faux patriotism and doing things the right way, bah god, but it doesn't actually have any connection to any sort of progressive morality or an actual moral compass.

Oh sure, Roger is a vastly overpaid figurehead of the owners and I would imagine the vast majority of them lean WAY Right (see this stupid marijuana stance). I mean he's not an ANGC member for nothing. If they are going to "blacklist" a guy, I find not standing up for the national anthem to be a ridiculously silly reason to not hire a decent QB.

He could probably start for a few teams, but it's not that cut and dried really. If teams see him as a backup and I expect most do, there's no real reason to bring in that distraction unless it's a coach like Andy Reid that relishes reclamation projects. San Francisco can't do better right now but that team is going to be a disaster in the first year of Shannahan's offense no matter what.

I still think someones going to pick him up if he wants to play. I just don't really see him as a franchise option for anyone either regardless of politics, that's my opinion of course.

Its very odd that his agents haven't had any contact, but frankly, If he hadn't kneeled in the first place no one in the media would even be this interested in Kaepernick. It's become a political story more than Football. He's an ok player, he's very talented, but he's never really been all that successful of a QB because I don't know if he's ever really cared enough about his craft.

[Green Habit]

I would imagine the vast majority of them lean WAY Right (see this stupid marijuana stance).

With cannabis, it's super easy for players to use it and not get caught. The reason why the rule still exists is for collective bargaining purposes. If the NFLPA wants to get rid of it, the owners will want a concession in return. Thus, it may be in the best interest for the players as a whole to keep the status quo.

[Coach]

I would imagine the vast majority of them lean WAY Right (see this stupid marijuana stance).

With cannabis, it's super easy for players to use it and not get caught. The reason why the rule still exists is for collective bargaining purposes. If the NFLPA wants to get rid of it, the owners will want a concession in return. Thus, it may be in the best interest for the players as a whole to keep the status quo.

Guys get caught all the time. There's an easy way to not get caught?

[Green Habit]

I would imagine the vast majority of them lean WAY Right (see this stupid marijuana stance).

With cannabis, it's super easy for players to use it and not get caught. The reason why the rule still exists is for collective bargaining purposes. If the NFLPA wants to get rid of it, the owners will want a concession in return. Thus, it may be in the best interest for the players as a whole to keep the status quo.

Guys get caught all the time. There's an easy way to not get caught?

If you're not in the drug program, you get tested only once a year, with the window opening on (yes, seriously) April 20. So all you have to do is stop consuming it by the beginning of March, and then once you get tested you're good to go, especially during the regular season when you'd need it the most. The few guys that do get caught are either real dumbasses or actually have a real dependency problem.

[96583UP]

aren't their random drug tests?


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also, remember kaepernick played like shit and looked emaciated when he came back from his injury yet folks seem to still want to be able to think of him as 2013 kaepernick






plus he's black/uppity

[96583UP]

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/1758 ... -drug-test

this was in September

[Green Habit]