What is Each Album's Major Flaw?: No Code

Norah · Post by **Norah** » Sat July 01, 2017 5:04 pm

durdencommatyler wrote:
cutuphalfdead wrote:Joey.
Hello Pete.

One day it's going to click for you.

Post by **epilogue** » Sat July 01, 2017 5:06 pm

Anders wrote:How do you rate it compared to the worst song on each of the three albums?

Comatose is probably the worst song on the last three albums. Then Habit is just a notch better than that one. Everything else is better than Habit.

Anders · Post by **Anders** » Sat July 01, 2017 5:11 pm

What do you consider the worst song on Backspacer and Lightning Bolt?

Post by **epilogue** » Sat July 01, 2017 5:15 pm

cutuphalfdead wrote:
durdencommatyler wrote:
cutuphalfdead wrote:Joey.
Hello Pete.
One day it's going to click for you.

I'm looking forward to it.

Post by **epilogue** » Sat July 01, 2017 5:23 pm

Anders wrote:What do you consider the worst song on Backspacer and Lightning Bolt?

Swallowed Whole is the far and away the worst song on LB. And Force of Nature is far and away the worst song on Backspacer. And it's only fractionally better than Habit. So, of those four:

Swallowed Whole
Force of Nature
Habit
Comatose

Anders · Post by **Anders** » Sat July 01, 2017 5:45 pm

Interesting list. Not crazy about Comatose, and I can see the problem with Swallowed Whole, even if there are a few worse songs on the album. While Force Of Nature doesn't hold a candle to Habit, I think it's probably in my top three songs on Backspacer. Still surprised you think Big Wave, Speed Of Sound and Future Days are better songs than Habit.

Post by **epilogue** » Sat July 01, 2017 5:57 pm

Anders wrote:Interesting list. Not crazy about Comatose, and I can see the problem with Swallowed Whole, even if there are a few worse songs on the album. While Force Of Nature doesn't hold a candle to Habit, I think it's probably in my top three songs on Backspacer. Still surprised you think Big Wave, Speed Of Sound and Future Days are better songs than Habit.

100%

Big Wave and Speed of Sound are great songs. GREAT songs. Probably not 5 star, top shelf PJ, but just outside. Future Days is a beautiful song that wears its heart on its sleeve. While I understand why a person wouldn't enjoy a song so saccharine and schmaltzy, it's at least honest. And there's nothing in Future Days as cheesy and unnecessary as Ed's fucking "child of the 90's" callback.

Anders · Post by **Anders** » Sat July 01, 2017 6:01 pm

Bless your heart.

Post by **epilogue** » Sat July 01, 2017 6:09 pm

Pearl Jam fans are the worst.

Anders · Post by **Anders** » Sat July 01, 2017 6:20 pm

I've heard thousands of albums. No Code is my favorite. I loved early Pearl Jam at the time, like I did with Soundgarden and Alice In Chains, but No Code made me the person that signs into RM in 2017. It's not perfect in every way, but as a complete work it is a masterpiece.

I haven't even listened to Lightning Bolt in the last year (or two). The difference to me is monumental.

Post by **epilogue** » Sat July 01, 2017 6:22 pm

Anders wrote:I've heard thousands of albums. No Code is my favorite. I loved early Pearl Jam at the time, like I did with Soundgarden and Alice In Chains, but No Code made me the person that signs into RM in 2017. It's not perfect in every way, but as a complete work it is a masterpiece.

I haven't even listened to Lightning Bolt in the last year (or two). The difference to me is monumental.

No Code is a monster record. I totally agree. It's really something special. I will never take issue with any fan calling it PJ's best record.

Lightning Bolt certainly can't hold a candle to it. Not by a long shot. If you took Habit and I'm Open off of No Code, it would be my third favorite PJ record (Behind Vitalogy -- which is my second favorite album of all time -- and Riot Act).

Anders · Post by **Anders** » Sat July 01, 2017 6:32 pm

I'm Open always makes my heart beat faster, probably more than any other Pearl Jam song. I can see why people would want to leave it off or replace it though. Not sure All Night would fit.

a man lies in his bed in a room with no door
he waits hoping for a presence, something, anything to enter
after spending half his life searching, he still felt as blank
as the ceiling at which he's staring

when he was six he believed that the moon overhead followed him
by nine he had deciphered the illusion, trading magic for fact
no tradebacks...
if he only knew now, what he knew then

lying sideways atop crumpled sheets and no covers
he decides to dream...
dream up a new self for himself

Anders · Post by **Anders** » Sat July 01, 2017 6:37 pm

durdencommatyler wrote:
Anders wrote:I've heard thousands of albums. No Code is my favorite. I loved early Pearl Jam at the time, like I did with Soundgarden and Alice In Chains, but No Code made me the person that signs into RM in 2017. It's not perfect in every way, but as a complete work it is a masterpiece.

I haven't even listened to Lightning Bolt in the last year (or two). The difference to me is monumental.
No Code is a monster record. I totally agree. It's really something special. I will never take issue with any fan calling it PJ's best record.

Lightning Bolt certainly can't hold a candle to it. Not by a long shot. If you took Habit and I'm Open off of No Code, it would be my third favorite PJ record (Behind Vitalogy -- which is my second favorite album of all time -- and Riot Act).

Most of this makes perfect sense to me. However I would rate Habit 4/5, and Speed Of Sound/Future Days 1. I'll give Big Wave a 2/3.

chewm · Post by **chewm** » Sat July 01, 2017 7:34 pm

Why are you using a different scale for Big Wave?

Anders · Post by **Anders** » Sat July 01, 2017 7:37 pm

chewm wrote:Why are you using a different scale for Big Wave?

I'm not. I'm saying Habit is in between four and five stars, and Big Wave is in between 2 and 3 stars. Call it 4,5 and 2,5 if you will.

chewm · Post by **chewm** » Sat July 01, 2017 9:10 pm

yes, I know

Post by **epilogue** » Sat July 01, 2017 9:33 pm

Man, Big Wave is so good.

VinylGuy · Post by **VinylGuy** » Sat July 01, 2017 9:39 pm

The jam at the end is fucking glorious...those guitars

Anders · Post by **Anders** » Sat July 01, 2017 9:49 pm

I always thought of Big Wave as the weak spot on S/T. Certainly far from the standards of No Code.

Post by **epilogue** » Sat July 01, 2017 10:25 pm

Anders wrote:I always thought of Big Wave as the weak spot on S/T. Certainly far from the standards of No Code.

I mean, it's no Hail, Hail or In My Tree or Smile or Red Mosquito or Present Tense. But it's still a great little song.

Red Mosquito

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