Healthcare Thread (really "Sickcare" in America)

[simple schoolboy]

Its a small price to pay for universal coverage.

[McParadigm]

Looks like they don't have the votes.

[doug rr]

[Monkey_Driven]

LOL at McConnell thinking he can get the votes to do a full repeal.

[digster]

I don't really see this strategy working. If Obamacare doesn't fail, then it doesn't fail and things seem much ado about nothing. If it does, it's certainly betting a lot that voters beyond Trump's base wouldn't just do what always happens and punish the party in power.

[McParadigm]

[Electromatic]

I'm not sure I understand why the word failure is being used. The ACA isn't going to fail like a business.

The problem is it pays millions to the insurance industry if not billions every year and never gets less expensive or more efficient. It's not sustainable for most of us not that any new plan I've seen actually works either.

For the person trying to buy a decent individual plan that isn't fabulously wealthy (in which case insurance doesn't matter) well you're fucked.

If your employer is self insured... eventually your plan will become so expensive it won't matter.

healthcare in the US is just fucking absurd.

[McParadigm]

This vote is playing out like a stage play. Really dramatic stuff.

[McParadigm]

Will proceed.

[Monkey_Driven]

I'm still not exactly sure what today's vote means. I haven't been paying attention. This is a motion to allow them to discuss a bill, right?

[McParadigm]

I'm still not exactly sure what today's vote means. I haven't been paying attention. This is a motion to allow them to discuss a bill, right?

This was a motion to debate, although "debate" what is less clear. There are now three unique approaches desired by various Republican members.

Now they have a small window (16 hours?) to debate and vote on a repeal

[Monkey_Driven]

I'm still not exactly sure what today's vote means. I haven't been paying attention. This is a motion to allow them to discuss a bill, right?

This was a motion to debate, although "debate" what is less clear. There are now three unique approaches desired by various Republican members.

Now they have a small window (16 hours?) to debate and vote on a repeal

And these approaches have not been revealed in any way, correct?

The vote today does not mean a repeal of any sort will pass, correct?

[McParadigm]

I'm still not exactly sure what today's vote means. I haven't been paying attention. This is a motion to allow them to discuss a bill, right?

This was a motion to debate, although "debate" what is less clear. There are now three unique approaches desired by various Republican members.

Now they have a small window (16 hours?) to debate and vote on a repeal

And these approaches have not been revealed in any way, correct?

Who can even track it any more? There's the full repeal, the repeal replace, and the "skinny" repeal. The latter is the only version I am certain will get voted on. But even then, those are just titles without many details.

John McCain just voted for an unprecedented rush on a bill no one knows anything about, and then gave a lecture on the need for return to Senate norms.

[Monkey_Driven]

I'm still not exactly sure what today's vote means. I haven't been paying attention. This is a motion to allow them to discuss a bill, right?

This was a motion to debate, although "debate" what is less clear. There are now three unique approaches desired by various Republican members.

Now they have a small window (16 hours?) to debate and vote on a repeal

And these approaches have not been revealed in any way, correct?

Who can even track it any more? There's the full repeal, the repeal replace, and the "skinny" repeal. The latter is the only version I am certain will get voted on. But even then, those are just titles without many details.

John McCain just voted for an unprecedented rush on a bill no one knows anything about, and then gave a lecture on the need for return to Senate norms.

Maybe its the medication...

[Simple Torture]

I know that there's some question as to whether some (or any) of the proposals on the table can get through on reconciliation, which would mean they'd need 60 votes to break the filibuster. Could this be when McConnell removes the legislative filibuster, too?

[Superblood Wolfmoon]

If they want to cram some piece of shit on the public that's going to relieve tens of millions from having health insurance, let them. They'll pay the price for a decade.

[Norah]

John McCain just voted for an unprecedented rush on a bill no one knows anything about, and then gave a lecture on the need for return to Senate norms.

John McCain is full of shit.

[McParadigm]

If they want to cram some piece of shit on the public that's going to relieve tens of millions from having health insurance, let them. They'll pay the price for a decade.

I think that's optimistic.

1. This mess has had the effect of ensuring that most people will not know the details of the repeal, thus leaving lots of wiggle room for conservative pundits to further muddy the waters. Side note: there will be a huge "Democrats refused to help us save Obamacare" push, and it will work.

2. For all the blowback, so far there's only been a very addressable small impact among conservative voters, and undecideds are undecideds for a reason. I remember a poll of undecided voters during the campaign that found that almost none had watched the debate or any coverage of the debate, but that roughly two-thirds felt Trump had won. Your guess is as good as mine.

3. Hurrying now has the benefit of giving them time to create a new story before reelection.

4. "Democrat" is slang for "worst PR messaging system ever." They will try to take advantage, and slip up in the most colorblind of ways (see: this week's veteran affairs bill).

[Strat]

Im so confused by this. They have attempted 2 plans now and nothing has passed and they failed on that. So now they are voting to vote to repeal Obamacare? What does that mean? How do you repeal it and not have another plan in place? Is there just no health coverage for anyone? What is this vote for? What are they going to discuss now if everything theyve discussed before in regards to ap lan has gone nowhere due to lack of votes?

[Electromatic]

As far as I know they just voted to debate a reconciliation bill.