Kevin Davis wrote:I am probably the least liberal person on RM, trag. Just because you have a sense of perspective on where your credible experience begins and ends doesn't mean you don't possess the capacity to empathize.
There is a lot of music-related discourse on the internet in which white people explain to other white people how to listen to black music. Perhaps these people are experts. It rarely seems so.
I can’t make any sense out of that first paragraph. And political leanings are irrelevant. Substitute enlightened, sensitive, or anything in that vein and I’ll stand by my point that withholding an opinion on another person’s experience when your personal experience gives you a reasonable frame of reference is a horrible and cowardly way to engage in discourse around race/culture.
"Liberal" was your word, not mine! Sorry if I misinterpreted what you meant by it.
That said, what you call "reasonable frame of reference" is kind of what I'm talking about. I think people are oftentimes poor at recognizing what "reasonable frame of reference" is, and then they extrapolate that limited experience in ways that come across as reductive. I think you have misinterpreted my comments as to suggest that one should never comment on matters of race unless one can do so firsthand, and that is not what I meant to say. I really just meant to say that this subject, as most do, benefits from judiciousness and self-awareness, and that is not always the default mode of people on the internet (myself included). My flip comment was not the best way of expressing that, so I apologize if it seemed like I was slighting you personally; I'm really referring to the whole conversation, including the other side which inevitably rebuts with some variation of "OMG you're so old and clueless, Pearl Jam message board, etc. etc." My suspicion is that the people we're so confident we can speak on behalf of, on this subject and others, would read these conversations and draw the conclusion that we're all a bunch of know-nothings.
Re: 2018 Rimmy Awards: top 5 albums
Posted: Wed December 19, 2018 8:03 pm
by washing machine
I just logged in but haven’t read the last page of this thread yet. WTH happened?!
Re: 2018 Rimmy Awards: top 5 albums
Posted: Wed December 19, 2018 8:28 pm
by epilogue
bodysnatcher wrote:
bodysnatcher wrote:off the top of my head...
Young Fathers — Cocoa Sugar
Wooden Shjips — V
Mudhoney — Digital Garbage
Khruangbin — Con Todo El Mundo
A.A.L. — 2012-2017
getting this back on track, i'd be remiss if i didn't give honorable mentions to Father John Misty's "God's Favorite Customer"
platypus!
Totally in my top 10. But not top 5, as the thread requires.
Re: 2018 Rimmy Awards: top 5 albums
Posted: Wed December 19, 2018 8:28 pm
by Self
Reid it and post a summary please. I'd like to know too.
Re: 2018 Rimmy Awards: top 5 albums
Posted: Wed December 19, 2018 8:36 pm
by bodysnatcher
durdencommatyler wrote:
bodysnatcher wrote:
bodysnatcher wrote:off the top of my head...
Young Fathers — Cocoa Sugar
Wooden Shjips — V
Mudhoney — Digital Garbage
Khruangbin — Con Todo El Mundo
A.A.L. — 2012-2017
getting this back on track, i'd be remiss if i didn't give honorable mentions to Father John Misty's "God's Favorite Customer"
platypus!
Totally in my top 10. But not top 5, as the thread requires.
yeah, same.
unless you're jorge and post all 30 albums you listened to this year.
Re: 2018 Rimmy Awards: top 5 albums
Posted: Wed December 19, 2018 8:38 pm
by tragabigzanda
tragabigzanda wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:Top 10 maybe?
Hello Morning
Close Captioned
The Kill
Place/Position
Do You Like Me?
Latest Disgrace
Recap Modotti
Nightshop
Break
Life & Limb
I'd maybe bump Life & Limb for Epic Problem
Re: 2018 Rimmy Awards: top 5 albums
Posted: Wed December 19, 2018 9:12 pm
by Jorge
bodysnatcher wrote:
durdencommatyler wrote:
bodysnatcher wrote:
bodysnatcher wrote:off the top of my head...
Young Fathers — Cocoa Sugar
Wooden Shjips — V
Mudhoney — Digital Garbage
Khruangbin — Con Todo El Mundo
A.A.L. — 2012-2017
getting this back on track, i'd be remiss if i didn't give honorable mentions to Father John Misty's "God's Favorite Customer"
platypus!
Totally in my top 10. But not top 5, as the thread requires.
yeah, same.
unless you're jorge and post all 30 albums you listened to this year.
More writing + video editing work means I listened to (and reviewed) a shitload of new albums this year, including God's Favorite Customer. DO YOU WANT TO KNOW MY OPINION OF IIIIIIIT?
Re: 2018 Rimmy Awards: top 5 albums
Posted: Wed December 19, 2018 9:16 pm
by Jorge
Self wrote:Reid it and post a summary please. I'd like to know too.
Verb asks if any album will match the long-term significance of seminal releases from the past such as Appetite for Destruction. Joey posits that Kendrick Lamer's DAMN could fit. LV counters with Kanye West's My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy. Trag says this can't be the case because it didn't have universal enough appeal. This spirals into a weird conversation about who is qualified to speak for people of color in a largely white message board. The point is that it's all over and we're friends again.
Re: 2018 Rimmy Awards: top 5 albums
Posted: Wed December 19, 2018 9:18 pm
by tragabigzanda
Re: 2018 Rimmy Awards: top 5 albums
Posted: Wed December 19, 2018 9:18 pm
by tragabigzanda
Re: 2018 Rimmy Awards: top 5 albums
Posted: Wed December 19, 2018 9:25 pm
by tragabigzanda
tragabigzanda wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:Top 10 maybe?
Hello Morning
Close Captioned
The Kill
Place/Position
Do You Like Me?
Latest Disgrace
Recap Modotti
Nightshop
Break
Life & Limb
I'd maybe bump Life & Limb for Epic Problem
Re: 2018 Rimmy Awards: top 5 albums
Posted: Wed December 19, 2018 9:47 pm
by epilogue
I saw a kid on Washington Ave on Halloween trick-or-treating in a Black Panther costume (with his dad) and I almost did the "Wakanda Forever" salute to him. But I didn't because I was worried they would think I was making fun of them and being racist. But I was really just super excited t see him dressed up.
Re: 2018 Rimmy Awards: top 5 albums
Posted: Thu December 20, 2018 12:05 am
by bodysnatcher
theplatypus wrote:
bodysnatcher wrote:
durdencommatyler wrote:
bodysnatcher wrote:
bodysnatcher wrote:off the top of my head...
Young Fathers — Cocoa Sugar
Wooden Shjips — V
Mudhoney — Digital Garbage
Khruangbin — Con Todo El Mundo
A.A.L. — 2012-2017
getting this back on track, i'd be remiss if i didn't give honorable mentions to Father John Misty's "God's Favorite Customer"
platypus!
Totally in my top 10. But not top 5, as the thread requires.
yeah, same.
unless you're jorge and post all 30 albums you listened to this year.
More writing + video editing work means I listened to (and reviewed) a shitload of new albums this year, including God's Favorite Customer. DO YOU WANT TO KNOW MY OPINION OF IIIIIIIT?
no
Re: 2018 Rimmy Awards: top 5 albums
Posted: Thu December 20, 2018 12:06 am
by epilogue
bodysnatcher wrote:
theplatypus wrote:
bodysnatcher wrote:
durdencommatyler wrote:
bodysnatcher wrote:
bodysnatcher wrote:off the top of my head...
Young Fathers — Cocoa Sugar
Wooden Shjips — V
Mudhoney — Digital Garbage
Khruangbin — Con Todo El Mundo
A.A.L. — 2012-2017
getting this back on track, i'd be remiss if i didn't give honorable mentions to Father John Misty's "God's Favorite Customer"
platypus!
Totally in my top 10. But not top 5, as the thread requires.
yeah, same.
unless you're jorge and post all 30 albums you listened to this year.
More writing + video editing work means I listened to (and reviewed) a shitload of new albums this year, including God's Favorite Customer. DO YOU WANT TO KNOW MY OPINION OF IIIIIIIT?
no
Re: 2018 Rimmy Awards: top 5 albums
Posted: Thu December 20, 2018 2:37 am
by Ello Sailor
tragabigzanda wrote:Current mood
Re: 2018 Rimmy Awards: top 5 albums
Posted: Thu December 20, 2018 10:40 am
by bart
theplatypus wrote:This spirals into a weird conversation about who is qualified to speak for people of color in a largely white message board.
Are we designating POCs for discussing POCs?
Re: 2018 Rimmy Awards: top 5 albums
Posted: Thu December 20, 2018 10:52 am
by BurtReynolds
As the resident person of color (2% Black, rounded up), I will allow it.
Re: 2018 Rimmy Awards: top 5 albums
Posted: Thu December 20, 2018 1:21 pm
by bada
I do miss the huge crossover albums and bands. I guess cause they were great introductions in different styles of music. Everyone gets obsessed and then start wondering who influenced them and who influenced the influencer and next thing you know you're down the rabbit hole. Don't know if that happens now. I'm way out of it and my kids are too young for me to get any sort of anecdotal evidence out of them. They just listen to what we listen too. My eight year old goes nuts when I put on old school rap. He likes the old stuff cause there are multiple MCs and he loves when they finish each others sentences. I don't know if there are any new acts that do that. Seems like its all solo artists now and it seems like they all have that monotone delivery and auto tune everywhere. Its not for me. My wife will put on Top 40 and I swear its the same girl signing on every song they all sound the same. I'm that guy now.
Re: 2018 Rimmy Awards: top 5 albums
Posted: Thu December 20, 2018 2:38 pm
by washing machine
After reading all of the last few pages, I was prepared to say that Speakerboxxx/The Love Below is one of those cultural touchstone albums, but then I realized that it’s over ten years old and doesn’t qualify for verb’s 2010’s criteria.
Time flies.
Re: 2018 Rimmy Awards: top 5 albums
Posted: Thu December 20, 2018 2:38 pm
by Self
theplatypus wrote:
Self wrote:Reid it and post a summary please. I'd like to know too.
Verb asks if any album will match the long-term significance of seminal releases from the past such as Appetite for Destruction. Joey posits that Kendrick Lamer's DAMN could fit. LV counters with Kanye West's My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy. Trag says this can't be the case because it didn't have universal enough appeal. This spirals into a weird conversation about who is qualified to speak for people of color in a largely white message board. The point is that it's all over and we're friends again.
Thanks for the summary, Jorge; I knew I could count on you to break it down so a layman, such as myself, could easily understand.
Is Kanye West's My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy the auto-tune one? I don't like that one. I get auto-tune fatigue by the about halfway through the second track.
platypus!
