Red Mosquito

skynyrd99 wrote:i think led zep is the greatest band of all time. im 41 and i got into zep before i got into pj when i was about 12 or 13. i was literally obsessed with them. first band i ever really got into, they blew me the fuck away and pretty much changed my life. i never knew music could be that good. i became a pj fan in the fall of 93 when vs came out, i remember thinking “these guys are gonna be the led zeppelin of my generation”. i had that similar instant love affair with pj as i did a couple years earlier with lz, just not quite as mind blowing. but i knew i found my band.

having said all that, i gave up on pj trying to “sound” like led zep or making led zep style songs a long time ago. inside job definitely has a similar structure to 1 of those slow burning build up songs that led zep were masters at. i actually think quick escape is the most led zep sounding song they ever made.

PHATJ wrote:

reconstruction_ seeds wrote:

PHATJ wrote:He has to be, right?

Are you the guy who said he listened to gigaton 12 hours straight and over 300 times in this short span of time? Are you a band member promoting the album (as if u would tell someone) or affiliated with the band or what? is it even possible to like Pearl Jam and gigaton as much as you claim to? You can spin this simple stuff that much and never get a fill of it? Are you serious?! And I've never seen you do anything but glorify this band as much as any band could ever be glorified.

You haven’t spent that much time on RM, and you clearly haven’t read anything I’ve said about anything by PJ outside of Gigaton. I’ve spent the last 15 years being disappointed by PJ. I hate Backspacer and LB. so get your shit straight. I did have one day - a Saturday, alone in my house on lockdown, where I was smoking bowls and drinking good beer and I had the album going for 10-12 hours straight. It was awesome. I hadn’t done anything like that since I was a kid with Vitalogy or No Code. I love every song on Gigaton. It might end up being equal to my absolute favorite Pearl Jam music, which also happens to be my favorite music of all time. I loved Led Zeppelin as a teenager and in my 20s. I still respect and love them. But I prefer Pearl Jam by a long shot. Jimmy Page’s playing is amazing, and he’s a genius, but that doesn’t mean Stone and Mike should try to do what he did. Jesus Christ, can’t they just evolve naturally? They already cover every band they want, and Zeppelin isn’t a band they’ve ever shown interest in. This entire idea just seems so silly and juvenile to me. The way you think about music is how I thought about it before I knew a damn thing about music, 30 years ago.

Brett wrote:Reconstruction_seeds, do you like any instrumental rock? I can't think of any that's really bluesy of the top of my head, but there might be some stuff that interests you out there. Also, Oceansize is at least one modern rock band with really interesting instrumental work that I always have to try to promote. If you love prog and metal influences, check them out.

mkay0 wrote:Has my favorite Chinese restaurant mastered pizza yet?

mkay0 wrote:Has my favorite Chinese restaurant mastered pizza yet?

reconstruction_ seeds wrote:

PHATJ wrote:

reconstruction_ seeds wrote:

PHATJ wrote:He has to be, right?

Are you the guy who said he listened to gigaton 12 hours straight and over 300 times in this short span of time? Are you a band member promoting the album (as if u would tell someone) or affiliated with the band or what? is it even possible to like Pearl Jam and gigaton as much as you claim to? You can spin this simple stuff that much and never get a fill of it? Are you serious?! And I've never seen you do anything but glorify this band as much as any band could ever be glorified.

You haven’t spent that much time on RM, and you clearly haven’t read anything I’ve said about anything by PJ outside of Gigaton. I’ve spent the last 15 years being disappointed by PJ. I hate Backspacer and LB. so get your shit straight. I did have one day - a Saturday, alone in my house on lockdown, where I was smoking bowls and drinking good beer and I had the album going for 10-12 hours straight. It was awesome. I hadn’t done anything like that since I was a kid with Vitalogy or No Code. I love every song on Gigaton. It might end up being equal to my absolute favorite Pearl Jam music, which also happens to be my favorite music of all time. I loved Led Zeppelin as a teenager and in my 20s. I still respect and love them. But I prefer Pearl Jam by a long shot. Jimmy Page’s playing is amazing, and he’s a genius, but that doesn’t mean Stone and Mike should try to do what he did. Jesus Christ, can’t they just evolve naturally? They already cover every band they want, and Zeppelin isn’t a band they’ve ever shown interest in. This entire idea just seems so silly and juvenile to me. The way you think about music is how I thought about it before I knew a damn thing about music, 30 years ago.

But couldn't that just mean you're Josh? LOL that's not criticism, just curiosity.

Okay so you've outgrown Led Zeppelin for whatever reason. When you mentionedand an earlier post about Stone and Mike not needing to play a crap ton of chords, of course they don't have to if they don't want but it's not like it would be a bad thing if they did!

PHATJ wrote:

reconstruction_ seeds wrote:

PHATJ wrote:

reconstruction_ seeds wrote:

PHATJ wrote:He has to be, right?

Are you the guy who said he listened to gigaton 12 hours straight and over 300 times in this short span of time? Are you a band member promoting the album (as if u would tell someone) or affiliated with the band or what? is it even possible to like Pearl Jam and gigaton as much as you claim to? You can spin this simple stuff that much and never get a fill of it? Are you serious?! And I've never seen you do anything but glorify this band as much as any band could ever be glorified.

You haven’t spent that much time on RM, and you clearly haven’t read anything I’ve said about anything by PJ outside of Gigaton. I’ve spent the last 15 years being disappointed by PJ. I hate Backspacer and LB. so get your shit straight. I did have one day - a Saturday, alone in my house on lockdown, where I was smoking bowls and drinking good beer and I had the album going for 10-12 hours straight. It was awesome. I hadn’t done anything like that since I was a kid with Vitalogy or No Code. I love every song on Gigaton. It might end up being equal to my absolute favorite Pearl Jam music, which also happens to be my favorite music of all time. I loved Led Zeppelin as a teenager and in my 20s. I still respect and love them. But I prefer Pearl Jam by a long shot. Jimmy Page’s playing is amazing, and he’s a genius, but that doesn’t mean Stone and Mike should try to do what he did. Jesus Christ, can’t they just evolve naturally? They already cover every band they want, and Zeppelin isn’t a band they’ve ever shown interest in. This entire idea just seems so silly and juvenile to me. The way you think about music is how I thought about it before I knew a damn thing about music, 30 years ago.

But couldn't that just mean you're Josh? LOL that's not criticism, just curiosity.

Okay so you've outgrown Led Zeppelin for whatever reason. When you mentionedand an earlier post about Stone and Mike not needing to play a crap ton of chords, of course they don't have to if they don't want but it's not like it would be a bad thing if they did!

My name is Josh

reconstruction_ seeds wrote:

mkay0 wrote:Has my favorite Chinese restaurant mastered pizza yet?

To my understanding one of Mike and Stones main influences to start playing was Jimmy Page

wease wrote:

reconstruction_ seeds wrote:

mkay0 wrote:Has my favorite Chinese restaurant mastered pizza yet?

To my understanding one of Mike and Stones main influences to start playing was Jimmy Page

Mike's was Ace Frehley

reconstruction_ seeds wrote:

wease wrote:

reconstruction_ seeds wrote:

mkay0 wrote:Has my favorite Chinese restaurant mastered pizza yet?

To my understanding one of Mike and Stones main influences to start playing was Jimmy Page

Mike's was Ace Frehley

https://forums.ledzeppelin.com/topic/25 ... ent-925822

"Page showed up to Pearl Jam’s show in London at the O2 Arena the next day. Led Zeppelin’s 2007 reunion show took place at the O2. Mike McCready shared a photo backstage with Page, “Always an honor to have a moment with one of my idols and greatest influences, @JimmyPage.”

wease wrote:

reconstruction_ seeds wrote:

wease wrote:

reconstruction_ seeds wrote:

mkay0 wrote:Has my favorite Chinese restaurant mastered pizza yet?

To my understanding one of Mike and Stones main influences to start playing was Jimmy Page

Mike's was Ace Frehley

https://forums.ledzeppelin.com/topic/25 ... ent-925822

"Page showed up to Pearl Jam’s show in London at the O2 Arena the next day. Led Zeppelin’s 2007 reunion show took place at the O2. Mike McCready shared a photo backstage with Page, “Always an honor to have a moment with one of my idols and greatest influences, @JimmyPage.”

I didn't say he wasn't an influence. Mike has said numerous times that he wanted to start playing guitar after seeing/hearing Ace Frehley. Your comment specifically said "start playing".

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/musi ... ce-235041/

Brett wrote:

reconstruction_ seeds wrote: Ok, I'll be serious and not awnry.

Valid points. Yeah, PJ are great at the things you mentioned. If pj want to keep releasing albums without raising the bar for themselves, thats their choice and right to do so. Whether or not people will continue to eat it up is on the band.

It almost seems theres an unspoken 'instrumental sections are taboo' protocol applicable only to guitar, bass and drums but not electronica, which must be followed. But most bands who were/are generally considered great had them. I kinda think pj are in the former category, possibly due to Ed's love of punk but they could be coming out of it. Mike did talk about feeling liberated in reference to this album.

Great bands like Page/LZ first 'decided ' to make instrument-based albums.Page then invested the time/effort into piecing together chords and picking to form the music. The repetitiion necessary to form music in that way would be a daunting task for anyone. Its not so much technical proficiency as it was creativity, perfectionism and willpower. Im not claiming Page wasnt technically proficient.

Thanks for elaborating. I've got a clearer picture of your criticism now. You'd like the structures to open up a bit and have room for some instrumental interplay free of vocal and lyrical input. That's a valid desire, and you're correct that it's not something that happens very often in recent Pearl Jam music, or at least not to an extent that is particularly notable.

I think the lack of longer instrumental sections is probably attributable to a few things. First and foremost, as you pointed out, is the fact that Eddie is the driving force of the group. His primary role is vocalist, so there's going to more of a push to foreground his contributions to each song, and that's been even more prominent in recent albums as the band has gravitated toward more accessible pop stylings and had Brendan O'Brien in the producer's chair with his shifted sensibilities.

A lot of us on here, myself included, would argue that Gigaton has swung back in the other direction and is the most instrumentally interesting material the band has produced in quite a while. But again, at least in my opinion, their instrumental abilities have never been particularly impressive from a technical standpoint. I do think that increased instrumental interplay could be a good thing, though, a point that you and I agree on.

reconstruction_ seeds wrote:

Brett wrote:I've never really noticed much similarity between Zeppelin and Pearl Jam, so I don't really understand the point of this thread. Is it just meant to point out that Pearl Jam's guitar players aren't as technically adept as Jimmy Page?

look man, my favorite existing band , Pearl Jam, just released a great album. It's catchy as hell.if lz hadn't existedi id probably have no complaints . I'm frustrated. I hope I'm just having a boring week and thatt it has nothing to do with gigaton ... but I fear it pushed me into another Led Zeppelin phase. I know I'll get back to listening to gigaton some but LZ is all i feel like listening to now. During the lead-up to gigatons release I focused on the album length and LZ comparison rumors. I feel like a kid who was promised Cracker Jacks but reached into the box only to find mushy, uncooked mountain oysters.

For me, instrumentation is the foundation of an album and quality vocals are just a bonus.
Regarding instrumentation, I like the atmospherics in 0700, the short heavy jam in Quick Escape, Matt and Jeff in Quick Escape, the outro in retrograde, the catchty guitar chord in retrograde, DOTC, Ed's short intro/outro in Comes then goes, mikes solos, etc but none of it is nearly enough for what i want on the next album! PJ have been at this for how many years now?! I want an album that will impress the legendary Jimmy Page!

I get it, these songs wouldn't sound right With the kind of instrumentation I'm wanting and I'm glad these songs exist but I want what I want and I'm here venting about it. All will be good if they give me a Led Zeppelin album next time around!

I think Greta Van Fleet's band name is dumb and they currently suck but if those kids ever figure out how to write songs...if Pearl Jam dont want to get showed up by a group of kids they better improve in all aspects.