Red Mosquito

In case anyone is wondering, I'm not taking trag's dumb comparison seriously.

Mickey wrote:Trag what happened in 2016.

Ok but what happened the two election after that?

McParadigm wrote:

Mickey wrote:Trag what happened in 2016.

Ok but what happened the two election after that?

Mickey wrote:Will it work again in the absence of a global pandemic overseen by a grossly incompetent media dipshit? Maybe! And you can bet your ass they're going to try it!

Don Jr & Eric are always popping up on the conservative channels talking about Hunter Biden without a hint of irony.
Granted that Hunter is a mess but like Don Jr and Eric wouldn’t be where they are without their last name.

Mapping of 2020 election if it was only under-45s voting:

Bi_3 wrote:Mapping of 2020 election if it was only under-45s voting:

Generational thinking is mystical thinking.

Mickey wrote:Generational thinking is mystical thinking.

In some ways I agree. But the majority of people vote more or less the same way at 65 that they did at 30, and the cultural and social issue stagnation of the Republican Party that has lasted for decades will make it really hard to correct course in a way that closes such a profound worldview gap.

McParadigm wrote:

Mickey wrote:Generational thinking is mystical thinking.

In some ways I agree. But the majority of people vote more or less the same way at 65 that they did at 30, and the cultural and social issue stagnation of the Republican Party that has lasted for decades will make it really hard to correct course in a way that closes such a profound worldview gap.

100% this.

We'll see!

McParadigm wrote:

Mickey wrote:Generational thinking is mystical thinking.

In some ways I agree. But the majority of people vote more or less the same way at 65 that they did at 30, and the cultural and social issue stagnation of the Republican Party that has lasted for decades will make it really hard to correct course in a way that closes such a profound worldview gap.

I would simply reiterate that generational thinking is mystical thinking. The majority of people in the past two to three generations voted the same way at 65 as they did at 30. The last two or three generations faced a very different American reality with regards to the movement of global capital than the current one does. So while I think "fuck trans people" turns a TON of young voters off of the GOP, and that more generally the right makes their bargain with Evangelicals and traditionalists at the expense of a (mostly reactionary) youth vote, the Democrats and the broader left should be incredibly careful about assuming the youth vote is theirs, or that things will continue apace.

Mickey wrote:

McParadigm wrote:

Mickey wrote:Generational thinking is mystical thinking.

In some ways I agree. But the majority of people vote more or less the same way at 65 that they did at 30, and the cultural and social issue stagnation of the Republican Party that has lasted for decades will make it really hard to correct course in a way that closes such a profound worldview gap.

I would simply reiterate that generational thinking is mystical thinking. The majority of people in the past two to three generations voted the same way at 65 as they did at 30. The last two or three generations faced a very different American reality with regards to the movement of global capital than the current one does. So while I think "fuck trans people" turns a TON of young voters off of the GOP, and that more generally the right makes their bargain with Evangelicals and traditionalists at the expense of a (mostly reactionary) youth vote, the Democrats and the broader left should be incredibly careful about assuming the youth vote is theirs, or that things will continue apace.

I don't disagree with any of that. But I will also admit that it's hard for me to imagine a bunch of the 2020 youth vote buying into a rehabbed GOP in an era of climate change (not that the only alternative is they all become Democrats).

McParadigm wrote:

Mickey wrote:

McParadigm wrote:

Mickey wrote:Generational thinking is mystical thinking.

In some ways I agree. But the majority of people vote more or less the same way at 65 that they did at 30, and the cultural and social issue stagnation of the Republican Party that has lasted for decades will make it really hard to correct course in a way that closes such a profound worldview gap.

I would simply reiterate that generational thinking is mystical thinking. The majority of people in the past two to three generations voted the same way at 65 as they did at 30. The last two or three generations faced a very different American reality with regards to the movement of global capital than the current one does. So while I think "fuck trans people" turns a TON of young voters off of the GOP, and that more generally the right makes their bargain with Evangelicals and traditionalists at the expense of a (mostly reactionary) youth vote, the Democrats and the broader left should be incredibly careful about assuming the youth vote is theirs, or that things will continue apace.

I don't disagree with any of that. But I will also admit that it's hard for me to imagine a bunch of the 2020 youth vote buying into a rehabbed GOP in an era of climate change (not that the only alternative is they all become Democrats).

Bolded part is key, I think--more likely the youth vote is massively depressed while reactionary millennials take the GOP pill than a full on youth swing to the right (not that the latter is impossible, but less likely than the above IMO).

just a couple old guys deciding how the youth will vote

spike wrote:just a couple old guys deciding how the youth will vote

Yeah, Drop the Leash, Mickey & McP.