Red Mosquito

EJ wrote:Comatose is a pretty good tune. Would have rather liked to hear 1996 Ed sing this though.

Imagine Eddie of 1994

nightmareblack0206 wrote:

EJ wrote:Comatose is a pretty good tune. Would have rather liked to hear 1996 Ed sing this though.

Imagine Eddie of 1994

Wouldn't have worked at all.

bodysnatcher wrote:

nightmareblack0206 wrote:

EJ wrote:Comatose is a pretty good tune. Would have rather liked to hear 1996 Ed sing this though.

Imagine Eddie of 1994

Wouldn't have worked at all.

The 'high above' section would be wordless OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH

I'd like to hear it, but pass.

its_not_1974 wrote:

bodysnatcher wrote:

nightmareblack0206 wrote:

EJ wrote:Comatose is a pretty good tune. Would have rather liked to hear 1996 Ed sing this though.

Imagine Eddie of 1994

Wouldn't have worked at all.

The 'high above' section would be wordless OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH

I'd like to hear it, but pass.

Yeah.. Comatose is way too wordy for mid-90s Ed. That Ed had a tension in his delivery caused by the moments between the lyrics. Comatose Ed fills those moments with more words.

Eddie would have revamped it. Trust me it would be better

bodysnatcher wrote:

its_not_1974 wrote:

bodysnatcher wrote:

nightmareblack0206 wrote:

EJ wrote:Comatose is a pretty good tune. Would have rather liked to hear 1996 Ed sing this though.

Imagine Eddie of 1994

Wouldn't have worked at all.

The 'high above' section would be wordless OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH

I'd like to hear it, but pass.

Yeah.. Comatose is way too wordy for mid-90s Ed. That Ed had a tension in his delivery caused by the moments between the lyrics. Comatose Ed fills those moments with more words.

Comatose is wordy?

Lukin is dominated by gaps between words?

Actually, what current songs are really dominated by words without pauses. Which ones feel overwritten to you? And what are some examples of what you were describing in the 90s?

stip wrote:

bodysnatcher wrote:

its_not_1974 wrote:

bodysnatcher wrote:

nightmareblack0206 wrote:

EJ wrote:Comatose is a pretty good tune. Would have rather liked to hear 1996 Ed sing this though.

Imagine Eddie of 1994

Wouldn't have worked at all.

The 'high above' section would be wordless OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH

I'd like to hear it, but pass.

Yeah.. Comatose is way too wordy for mid-90s Ed. That Ed had a tension in his delivery caused by the moments between the lyrics. Comatose Ed fills those moments with more words.

Comatose is wordy?

Lukin is dominated by gaps between words?

Actually, what current songs are really dominated by words without pauses. Which ones feel overwritten to you? And what are some examples of what you were describing in the 90s?

animal, rvm, whippin

stip wrote:

bodysnatcher wrote:

its_not_1974 wrote:

bodysnatcher wrote:

nightmareblack0206 wrote:

EJ wrote:Comatose is a pretty good tune. Would have rather liked to hear 1996 Ed sing this though.

Imagine Eddie of 1994

Wouldn't have worked at all.

The 'high above' section would be wordless OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH

I'd like to hear it, but pass.

Yeah.. Comatose is way too wordy for mid-90s Ed. That Ed had a tension in his delivery caused by the moments between the lyrics. Comatose Ed fills those moments with more words.

Comatose is wordy?

Lukin is dominated by gaps between words?

Actually, what current songs are really dominated by words without pauses. Which ones feel overwritten to you? And what are some examples of what you were describing in the 90s?

I don't think I described what I wanted to say that well. It's not wordy, it's just a different dramatization and a song that is very lyrically centered. And Ed's lyrics are much more evolved than something he would have written 15 years ago.

Comatose and Lukin are good comparison samples though. Lukin, though fast and compact, is comprised primarily of one and two syllable words... and it works well in the structure of the song. Comatose, on the other hand, is more of a mouthful. More syllables fit into parts of the song. Not that it's a bad thing, it's what fits the song and the style Ed chose to phrase it. It's just different.

Take Spin The Black Circle or Whipping for example. Same type of tempo, just syllables with space that are more drawn out. Comatose packs a lot of lyrical punch into the bowl. That's all I meant.. not good or bad, just "wordy"

I've thought the recent pearl jam albums had more impressive vocal melodies from Eddie than earlier records (which was important since it helps offset some of the decline of vocal power--less raw ability but more craft). I wonder if the busier lyrics reflect that.

stip wrote:I've thought the recent pearl jam albums had more impressive vocal melodies from Eddie than earlier records (which was important since it helps offset some of the decline of vocal power--less raw ability but more craft). I wonder if the busier lyrics reflect that.

Folks, We have a winner

stip wrote:I've thought the recent pearl jam albums had more impressive vocal melodies from Eddie than earlier records (which was important since it helps offset some of the decline of vocal power--less raw ability but more craft). I wonder if the busier lyrics reflect that.

Yeah I agree. I think that's why I can't imagine Ed '94 singing Comatose... he didn't ride those vocal melodies back then. He had some, for sure, but like you said, it was natural ability. The past couple of records he's really experimented with a new and different approach

It's bc he can't sing 20 percent the way he used to. They even write songs now on the sole reason that they will be easy on Vedder during touring. ......SAD

LetMeSleep wrote:Can't wait for that remix/reissue in 2019.

This would be very welcome.

I think this is a pretty good record. It's not great, and it's certainly a few notches below their best work, but I think it's a much more thoughtfully written and arranged rock record than it's successor. The terrible sound of the record combined with a top-heavy tracklisting and some truly woeful artwork really don't do it any favours.

(No, before anyone pipes up, it's not meant to sound that way. I don't buy for a moment that ridiculous amounts of limiting and digital clipping were "artistic choices" in this circumstance, more a product of the "everything louder than everything else" times and a band generally ignorant - or at least uninvolved - with the technical aspects of how their music is presented. Believe it or not, a more dynamic sound would have made the "raw" and "aggressive" elements sound even more raw and aggressive.)

Birds in Hell wrote:

LetMeSleep wrote:Can't wait for that remix/reissue in 2019.

This would be very welcome.

I think this is a pretty good record. It's not great, and it's certainly a few notches below their best work, but I think it's a much more thoughtfully written and arranged rock record than it's successor. The terrible sound of the record combined with a top-heavy tracklisting and some truly woeful artwork really don't do it any favours.

(No, before anyone pipes up, it's not meant to sound that way. I don't buy for a moment that ridiculous amounts of limiting and digital clipping were "artistic choices" in this circumstance, more a product of the "everything louder than everything else" times and a band generally ignorant - or at least uninvolved - with the technical aspects of how their music is presented.)

I agree it could have been done better, but I do think they were intending the record to be loud and abrasive--a response to the sound of Riot Act.

stip wrote:

Birds in Hell wrote:

LetMeSleep wrote:Can't wait for that remix/reissue in 2019.

This would be very welcome.

I think this is a pretty good record. It's not great, and it's certainly a few notches below their best work, but I think it's a much more thoughtfully written and arranged rock record than it's successor. The terrible sound of the record combined with a top-heavy tracklisting and some truly woeful artwork really don't do it any favours.

(No, before anyone pipes up, it's not meant to sound that way. I don't buy for a moment that ridiculous amounts of limiting and digital clipping were "artistic choices" in this circumstance, more a product of the "everything louder than everything else" times and a band generally ignorant - or at least uninvolved - with the technical aspects of how their music is presented.)

I agree it could have been done better, but I do think they were intending the record to be loud and abrasive--a response to the sound of Riot Act.

Okay, I'll admit, I almost wrote "before stip says anything, it's not meant to sound that way."

I agree that there was an intention to make a stripped-down record, something that approximated their live show in a way, but the production actually makes the record sound "smaller" and more tame than it would have were it produced like, say, Do the Evolution or Animal or any other comparable song from their earlier albums.

Birds in Hell wrote:

stip wrote:

Birds in Hell wrote:

LetMeSleep wrote:Can't wait for that remix/reissue in 2019.

This would be very welcome.

I think this is a pretty good record. It's not great, and it's certainly a few notches below their best work, but I think it's a much more thoughtfully written and arranged rock record than it's successor. The terrible sound of the record combined with a top-heavy tracklisting and some truly woeful artwork really don't do it any favours.

(No, before anyone pipes up, it's not meant to sound that way. I don't buy for a moment that ridiculous amounts of limiting and digital clipping were "artistic choices" in this circumstance, more a product of the "everything louder than everything else" times and a band generally ignorant - or at least uninvolved - with the technical aspects of how their music is presented.)

I agree it could have been done better, but I do think they were intending the record to be loud and abrasive--a response to the sound of Riot Act.

Okay, I'll admit, I almost wrote "before stip says anything, it's not meant to sound that way."

I agree that there was an intention to make a stripped-down record, something that approximated their live show in a way, but the production actually makes the record sound "smaller" and more tame than it would have were it produced like, say, Do the Evolution or Animal or any other comparable song from their earlier albums.

absolutely. After 10 this album was easily the highest on my 'want to hear remixed' wishlist.

stip wrote:I've thought the recent pearl jam albums had more impressive vocal melodies from Eddie than earlier records

On some of the really early stuff it sounds like Eddie barely knows what a melody is. "Vs." was a big step forward, but I agree that his grasp of melody has continually improved, even up until now.

Kevin Davis wrote:On some of the really early stuff it sounds like Eddie barely knows what a melody is.

Yeah. Even the one really striking vocal melody in Ten-- the one for "Oceans"-- is essentially just mirroring Jeff's bassline.

Define melody though.

I agree with the above sentiments but im not certain what it all means. I much rather sing a long to Jeremy than *insert your favorite melody from the past couple records*


A song like grievance really has no melodic line that could appeal to a mass audience but again ....

IDK. ...Small Town is kinda up beat melody. That was late/early 92-93