Red Mosquito

Dev wrote:colonizing mars is evil. it's a good excuse to prioritize capitalism and to forget taking care of our own planet. and guess what. it's totally untenable. it's abhorrent.

Bad take. Space exploration is cool.

to pretend we can colonize mars is an absolute joke.

sorry.

nobody is colonizing mars.

that's what I just said.

Lex Friedman is so goddamn boring jesus christ.

BurtReynolds wrote:Lex Friedman is so goddamn boring jesus christ.

I mean I like the guy and he has interesting people on, but his voice is death.

Is conscious subjective experience a result of a certain level of complexity, or is it inherent in all things to varying degrees?

It is it just me?

BurtReynolds wrote:Is conscious subjective experience a result of a certain level of complexity, or is it inherent in all things to varying degrees?

I believe pure consciousness is life itself. When contained within a humanoid vessel, an illusion of "me" comes up. But a plant doesn't have to think like we do in order to be conscious. Plants and other animals are aware without all the weird neurotic bullshit we deal with. Trees, mushrooms, they communicate with one another but in a completely connected, unadulterated way that the best of us catch glimpses of from time to time. You don't have a life, you are life.

Why limit it to life? No reason to think it doesn't apply to all matter.

It's like gravity. Even an atom has some infinitesimal effect on gravity or spacetime. They could also have a crude mental aspect (not really a mind, but a mental stuff).

Yeah I’m able to accept that there are different spectrums of life and consciousness. I guess I’m just more interested in the kind of consciousness that we have Because I can actually experience it

I'm not sure I get the point of debating what the term consciousness applies to. Obviously there are levels. Where are we going with this? Why does it matter?

It might matter if someone tells you they can reproduce your consciousness or self in a computer.

https://www.closertotruth.com/series/do ... ideo-57481

Pretty interesting interviews. The interviewer is pretty good too. He pushes a few of them on some things.

BurtReynolds wrote:It might matter if someone tells you they can reproduce your consciousness or self in a computer.

Why exactly?

I like being alive and conscious

no, why does it matter in regards to reproducing consciousness on a computer?

Because it may mean you can live forever

tree_ wrote:Because it may mean you can live forever

A copy of you can live forever

the question is what implications does debating what is conscious and what is not have on whether you can reproduce consciousness on a computer. how does it play in?