Red Mosquito

Monkey_Driven wrote:I don't mind the length of the setlists, just wish they included more Yield-S/T tunes. Drop 3-4 songs from their first three albums to make room.

Yes

wease wrote:

epilogue wrote:Seems like you can pretty much count on DotC, Quick Escape and SBWM at shows. Feels like anything more from Gigaton is "special."

And then the obligatory Alive, Black, Better Man, Given to Fly, Daughter and Even Flow. That’s half the set right there.

I forgot Elderly Woman

RM is the clearinghouse for those who wish to pay more for less music.

liebzz wrote:RM is the clearinghouse for those who wish to pay more for less music.

Man, these setlists have made my post covid push to see the band again as wait and see approach at this point this fall.

lowlight79 wrote:Man, these setlists have made my post covid push to see the band again as wait and see approach at this point this fall.

I am traveling to two shows in the fall, both reschedules from 2020, and I am not excited right now. I am sure the shows will be fun and me and my PJ travel buddy will have a blast that week, but the anticipation and excitement that comes from setlist watching is gone.

I also kind of think it is unfair that the shows are 33% or so shorter now but the prices are still the same. Not that we were ever explicitly told the shows would be 3+ hours, but still just seems a bit shady. It would be like going to your favorite restaurant and ordering your favorite dish that you’ve been ordering for 20 years and all of a sudden the recipe has changed with no warning. Just weird for them to do without addressing it.

scottmusic wrote:

lowlight79 wrote:Man, these setlists have made my post covid push to see the band again as wait and see approach at this point this fall.

I am traveling to two shows in the fall, both reschedules from 2020, and I am not excited right now. I am sure the shows will be fun and me and my PJ travel buddy will have a blast that week, but the anticipation and excitement that comes from setlist watching is gone.

I also kind of think it is unfair that the shows are 33% or so shorter now but the prices are still the same. Not that we were ever explicitly told the shows would be 3+ hours, but still just seems a bit shady. It would be like going to your favorite restaurant and ordering your favorite dish that you’ve been ordering for 20 years and all of a sudden the recipe has changed with no warning. Just weird for them to do without addressing it.

Longer does not necessarily equal better. They haven't played this many shows in one year in ages. They're either working up to longer shows again or pacing themselves. I wish there was a bit more variety, but the boots sound good and the band seems focused.

scottmusic wrote:

lowlight79 wrote:Man, these setlists have made my post covid push to see the band again as wait and see approach at this point this fall.

I am traveling to two shows in the fall, both reschedules from 2020, and I am not excited right now. I am sure the shows will be fun and me and my PJ travel buddy will have a blast that week, but the anticipation and excitement that comes from setlist watching is gone.

I also kind of think it is unfair that the shows are 33% or so shorter now but the prices are still the same. Not that we were ever explicitly told the shows would be 3+ hours, but still just seems a bit shady. It would be like going to your favorite restaurant and ordering your favorite dish that you’ve been ordering for 20 years and all of a sudden the recipe has changed with no warning. Just weird for them to do without addressing it.

Camden was around $40 more per ticket than the cancelled Baltimore show, so that will be a tough one if these sets are the norm.

Monkey_Driven wrote:

scottmusic wrote:

lowlight79 wrote:Man, these setlists have made my post covid push to see the band again as wait and see approach at this point this fall.

I am traveling to two shows in the fall, both reschedules from 2020, and I am not excited right now. I am sure the shows will be fun and me and my PJ travel buddy will have a blast that week, but the anticipation and excitement that comes from setlist watching is gone.

I also kind of think it is unfair that the shows are 33% or so shorter now but the prices are still the same. Not that we were ever explicitly told the shows would be 3+ hours, but still just seems a bit shady. It would be like going to your favorite restaurant and ordering your favorite dish that you’ve been ordering for 20 years and all of a sudden the recipe has changed with no warning. Just weird for them to do without addressing it.

Longer does not necessarily equal better. They haven't played this many shows in one year in ages. They're either working up to longer shows again or pacing themselves. I wish there was a bit more variety, but the boots sound good and the band seems focused.

It's also possible this is the last waltz, so let the fans hear the hits one last time and make them great again.

Yeah i still have a feeling this may be the case

E.H. Ruddock wrote:Yeah i still have a feeling this may be the case

Alternatively, this could be a knee jerk reaction to 20/21 and covid. The band may just be giving a greatest hits tour in case they can't get out whenever they want and this way all the fans get something from the show.

I wish they'd do a similar show to Dylan at the moment. 81 years old. He's on his 45th show of the year. 9 tracks of the 17 are from his last studio record with only maybe 2-3 others that could be considered greatest hits which a casual listener would know in the main set, then they could get their hits out for the encore. Sure the setlist is the same but he's nailing it.
Spoiled is my interpretation of a PJ translation of his show.

Spoiler: show

Go
Brain Of J
DotC
Quick Escape
Given To Fly
Retrograde
In My Tree
Who Ever Said
SBWM
Nothing As It Seems
Alright
07:00
Do The Evolution
Take The Long Way
Buckle Up
Faithfull
Corduroy
RVM


SoLaT
Black
BMan
Alive
YL

Let me just state, as i read what I wrote this morning. I came off kinda of like an entitled lowlight79. My thoughts DO come from a completely spoiled position. I have seen the band 30 times going back to 1998. I'm originally from the Northeast, I've seen some crazy shit. I will listen to the shows and still do what I do. But I just really feel like they are pulling back, and this just doesn't appeal to me to go see live.

lowlight79 wrote:Let me just state, as i read what I wrote this morning. I came off kinda of like an entitled lowlight79. My thoughts DO come from a completely spoiled position. I have seen the band 30 times going back to 1998. I'm originally from the Northeast, I've seen some crazy shit. I will listen to the shows and still do what I do. But I just really feel like they are pulling back, and this just doesn't appeal to me to go see live.

I'd prefer if they weren't scaling back the length & variety at the same time. 2000 era sets are fine if they're taking the same approach as back then.

Bi_3 wrote:

Monkey_Driven wrote:

scottmusic wrote:

lowlight79 wrote:Man, these setlists have made my post covid push to see the band again as wait and see approach at this point this fall.

I am traveling to two shows in the fall, both reschedules from 2020, and I am not excited right now. I am sure the shows will be fun and me and my PJ travel buddy will have a blast that week, but the anticipation and excitement that comes from setlist watching is gone.

I also kind of think it is unfair that the shows are 33% or so shorter now but the prices are still the same. Not that we were ever explicitly told the shows would be 3+ hours, but still just seems a bit shady. It would be like going to your favorite restaurant and ordering your favorite dish that you’ve been ordering for 20 years and all of a sudden the recipe has changed with no warning. Just weird for them to do without addressing it.

Longer does not necessarily equal better. They haven't played this many shows in one year in ages. They're either working up to longer shows again or pacing themselves. I wish there was a bit more variety, but the boots sound good and the band seems focused.

It's also possible this is the last waltz, so let the fans hear the hits one last time and make them great again.

Lol yes they are definitely skipping Seattle on their farewell tour

lowlight79 wrote:Let me just state, as i read what I wrote this morning. I came off kinda of like an entitled lowlight79. My thoughts DO come from a completely spoiled position. I have seen the band 30 times going back to 1998. I'm originally from the Northeast, I've seen some crazy shit. I will listen to the shows and still do what I do. But I just really feel like they are pulling back, and this just doesn't appeal to me to go see live.

I only got to see less than half the show in Oakland last month (night 2), but they sounded great! If this "pull-back" is the way they are able to do that, then I applaud them keeping their energy high and tight.

I have no problem with a 2 hour show. It's been like that till 2012. Only for the 2014-2018 tours they played longer on every night. But they used to play way more songs on a 2 hour show. They played at least 27 songs on a 2 hour show in 2000 or 2010. Now they play about 20.

But in a way I can understand this. They could not tour for 4 years. And on their first tour since, half of the band got covid and they had to improvise and cancel shows. They just want this EU tour to go well and are not taking any chances. The longer shows or more setlist variation will come back Im sure..

Only feel bad for Klinghoffer.. They basically brought him on tour for the Gigaton songs and they only play 3 of those..

Keep in mind 2 of them or getting over a recent bout of Covid, too. When I had it last year it took a quite while for my energy to build back up.

joostone wrote:I have no problem with a 2 hour show. It's been like that till 2012. Only for the 2014-2018 tours they played longer on every night. But they used to play way more songs on a 2 hour show. They played at least 27 songs on a 2 hour show in 2000 or 2010. Now they play about 20.

But in a way I can understand this. They could not tour for 4 years. And on their first tour since, half of the band got covid and they had to improvise and cancel shows. They just want this EU tour to go well and are not taking any chances. The longer shows or more setlist variation will come back Im sure..

Only feel bad for Klinghoffer.. They basically brought him on tour for the Gigaton songs and they only play 3 of those..

This is a fair point. The stats don't capture all of Ed's blathering that is chewing up the stage time. BUT, not a song was scratched in Italy and that was only 23 headlining in front of 65k and on the same night 80 y.o. Paul McCartney played 38.

What was the quality of McCartney's performance?

Bi_3 wrote:

joostone wrote:I have no problem with a 2 hour show. It's been like that till 2012. Only for the 2014-2018 tours they played longer on every night. But they used to play way more songs on a 2 hour show. They played at least 27 songs on a 2 hour show in 2000 or 2010. Now they play about 20.

But in a way I can understand this. They could not tour for 4 years. And on their first tour since, half of the band got covid and they had to improvise and cancel shows. They just want this EU tour to go well and are not taking any chances. The longer shows or more setlist variation will come back Im sure..

Only feel bad for Klinghoffer.. They basically brought him on tour for the Gigaton songs and they only play 3 of those..

This is a fair point. The stats don't capture all of Ed's blathering that is chewing up the stage time. BUT, not a song was scratched in Italy and that was only 23 headlining in front of 65k and on the same night 80 y.o. Paul McCartney played 38.

Beatles songs average about 2:02