Red Mosquito

JuanHamm wrote:Joey's only mistake here was engaging with the paranoid troll group.

I knew full well what I was doing. This has all gone pretty much exactly as I expected. But I decided when I became a mod that I would try to engage and be transparent because I know that's an issue some have with the team here. I know it changes nothing. But it feels like good faith to me and I want to offer that to the community.

E.H. Ruddock wrote:

macphisto wrote:

epilogue wrote:

wease wrote:

epilogue wrote:

tree_ wrote:My question to epilogue would be: when, if ever, would it be appropriate to use the word "slut" on this message board?

I'm not sure what that has to do with anything.

You left off “you ignorant slut.”

That would have been good. Damn.

Lol, I caught a ban for saying that to Mickey a couple years back. Some RMicans are more equal than others it seems.

Did you include a bunch of heart emojis with it?

Shit, that’s where I blew it. Stymie the mods with this one weird trick!

epilogue wrote:

verb_to_trust wrote:

epilogue wrote:

washing machine wrote:

epilogue wrote:

washing machine wrote:What rules were broken? What is "being shitty"? Like someone else said, it feels like the mods are the arbiters of good taste on this board of grown-ups, so maybe the mods can give us a detailed list of what's "shitty"?:

Many posts violated community standards. Misogyny and abusive language toward women is a violation of community standards. There were several posts that were worthy of a ban issue. I didn't ban anyone. I didn't even warn anyone in for those posts because, as you say, you're all supposed to be fucking adults.

I didn't read the thread, but was there a complaint or something, or just your own judgement?

No one flagged a post or issued a formal complaint to me.

Because nobody wanted the thread removed but you

But am I not a member of the community? Who cares that no one else complained. The thread violated community standards and was offensive. Should have flagged the post and complained to another mod?

That would be the democratic thing to do. Then again I don't want to be retroactively banned for my sexual desires towards one Grayson Murphy's abs

JuanHamm wrote:

tree_ wrote:It's a trigger word for him. I used the "s" word once, in a hypothetical story about a woman who freely sleeps with lots of people, in the infamous Oscars thread, and he pm'd me a warning to never do it again, and I haven't, cause I like it here.

Tree should probably be banned for sharing the contents of a PM.

Has that been discussed yet?

Goddamn. There's just so much to keep up with in this place!

epilogue wrote:

macphisto wrote:

epilogue wrote:

wease wrote:

epilogue wrote:

tree_ wrote:My question to epilogue would be: when, if ever, would it be appropriate to use the word "slut" on this message board?

I'm not sure what that has to do with anything.

You left off “you ignorant slut.”

That would have been good. Damn.

Lol, I caught a ban for saying that to Mickey a couple years back. Some RMicans are more equal than others it seems.

Likely, I don't recall this particular incident so I could be wrong, it had more to do with previous warnings and last straws than the post itself. But, again, I really don't remember what you're talking about.

You could type “slut” into the search box and probably find it pretty easily.

tree_ wrote:oh shit i fucked up... i accept any banning you bestow upon me

Let's call it a friendly warning and just move on. Ok?

macphisto wrote:

epilogue wrote:

macphisto wrote:

epilogue wrote:

wease wrote:

epilogue wrote:

tree_ wrote:My question to epilogue would be: when, if ever, would it be appropriate to use the word "slut" on this message board?

I'm not sure what that has to do with anything.

You left off “you ignorant slut.”

That would have been good. Damn.

Lol, I caught a ban for saying that to Mickey a couple years back. Some RMicans are more equal than others it seems.

Likely, I don't recall this particular incident so I could be wrong, it had more to do with previous warnings and last straws than the post itself. But, again, I really don't remember what you're talking about.

You could type “slut” into the search box and probably find it pretty easily.

Sure. But again, we're talking about context. And I'm not going to look up all previous violations, warnings, bannings, etc.

epilogue wrote:

JuanHamm wrote:Joey's only mistake here was engaging with the paranoid troll group.

I knew full well what I was doing. This has all gone pretty much exactly as I expected. But I decided when I became a mod that I would try to engage and be transparent because I know that's an issue some have with the team here. I know it changes nothing. But it feels like good faith to me and I want to offer that to the community.

I admire your commitment to this unpaid job, but trying to engage with Burt, Verb or Mac in good faith is like pissing in the wind.

verb_to_trust wrote:

epilogue wrote:

verb_to_trust wrote:

epilogue wrote:

washing machine wrote:

epilogue wrote:

washing machine wrote:What rules were broken? What is "being shitty"? Like someone else said, it feels like the mods are the arbiters of good taste on this board of grown-ups, so maybe the mods can give us a detailed list of what's "shitty"?:

Many posts violated community standards. Misogyny and abusive language toward women is a violation of community standards. There were several posts that were worthy of a ban issue. I didn't ban anyone. I didn't even warn anyone in for those posts because, as you say, you're all supposed to be fucking adults.

I didn't read the thread, but was there a complaint or something, or just your own judgement?

No one flagged a post or issued a formal complaint to me.

Because nobody wanted the thread removed but you

But am I not a member of the community? Who cares that no one else complained. The thread violated community standards and was offensive. Should have flagged the post and complained to another mod?

That would be the democratic thing to do. Then again I don't want to be retroactively banned for my sexual desires towards one Grayson Murphy's abs

But again, when was a message board ever a democracy? You guys seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding about what this is.

To be fair, bitching about the mods on a message board is a fairly new concept that hasn’t been around too long

JuanHamm wrote:

epilogue wrote:

JuanHamm wrote:Joey's only mistake here was engaging with the paranoid troll group.

I knew full well what I was doing. This has all gone pretty much exactly as I expected. But I decided when I became a mod that I would try to engage and be transparent because I know that's an issue some have with the team here. I know it changes nothing. But it feels like good faith to me and I want to offer that to the community.

I admire your commitment to this unpaid job, but trying to engage with Burt, Verb or Mac in good faith is like pissing in the wind.

Well, that's certainly true. And I've largely avoided doing so. But tree has asked some good faith questions. And while I know full well Reid is probably trolling too, he's also asking questions that might benefit others. So I'm going to pursue those in good faith, too.

E.H. Ruddock wrote:To be fair, bitching about the mods on a message board is a fairly new concept that hasn’t been around too long

epilogue wrote:

washing machine wrote:

epilogue wrote:

washing machine wrote:

epilogue wrote:

washing machine wrote:What rules were broken? What is "being shitty"? Like someone else said, it feels like the mods are the arbiters of good taste on this board of grown-ups, so maybe the mods can give us a detailed list of what's "shitty"?:

Many posts violated community standards. Misogyny and abusive language toward women is a violation of community standards. There were several posts that were worthy of a ban issue. I didn't ban anyone. I didn't even warn anyone in for those posts because, as you say, you're all supposed to be fucking adults.

I didn't read the thread, but was there a complaint or something, or just your own judgement?

No one flagged a post or issued a formal complaint to me.

Perhaps, and I'm being completely serious here, what this community needs is to add a fresh batch of mods of a different mindset to balance out this clear risk of unilateral gatekeeping.

I'm all for adding new/different mods.

But keep in mind that the point is to moderate the forum. Mods are here to uphold rules and community standards. Also, keep in my mind that I'm the "newest" or "youngest" mod. So that seems to fly in the face of you point about new blood. The issue seems to be that you don't like mods who do their job. Fair enough. But it's still the job we agreed to do.

You're the newest, but your mod approach falls in line with the modship in general. I'm talking about shaking it up and sharing the mod robes with people who don't see the world the same as progressives like you, B and of course Ruddo. We don't need macphisto or anything on there, but probably trag or bodysnatcher would be a good place to start looking if you're curious about what kind of mod I'm talking about.

I absolutely do not mind if mods do their job, but in my mind that job is technical board maintenance/admin stuff. Moving threads. Pruning second account/bot spamming. That's pretty much it.

In this particular instance, and based on all of your responses so far explaining your modding (ty by the way), this is how I see that things went down:

1. A thread was started about porn quotes.
2. Things got questionable? The word "slut" was thrown around? Yet no one complained.
3. You decided to delete the thread when no one was looking and had no intention of explaining it until Jorge burt started this thread.

I can see the need to edit/censor when there's a complaint. Or if kids read this board. Or if you were trying to get the board ready for a big corporate sale to pearljam.com and need it to look clean and professional. I think you overstepped, that's all. Doesn't mean I don't want modding to happen, though I do enjoy making it difficult sometimes when I intentionally try to make you merge or move a thread about bagels/donuts.

epilogue wrote:

tree_ wrote:oh shit i fucked up... i accept any banning you bestow upon me

Let's call it a friendly warning and just move on. Ok?

OK. But I'll owe you one. I'll be like Morgan Freeman's character to your Kevin Costner Robin Hood

I can’t wait for stoner to come back and read all of this

This reminds me of reddit where I got auto banned from subs like r/cats because I know that masks don't work.

epilogue wrote:

JuanHamm wrote:Joey's only mistake here was engaging with the paranoid troll group.

I knew full well what I was doing. This has all gone pretty much exactly as I expected. But I decided when I became a mod that I would try to engage and be transparent because I know that's an issue some have with the team here. I know it changes nothing. But it feels like good faith to me and I want to offer that to the community.

I sincerely appreciate this post. I'm not trolling in this thread. I think this is a valuable discussion the board needs to have from time to time. I mean this in the best way possible, but I want to try and make it clear that I respect the mods as people but do not always respect the modding decisions.

I didn't start this thread

There is nothing sincere about what durden is doing here. He's rubbing our faces in it while trying to pretend it's for the greater good. Talk about trolls.

verb_to_trust wrote:This reminds me of reddit where I got auto banned from subs like r/cats because I know that masks don't work.

You're so oppressed. I don't know how you get out of bed every morning.