Red Mosquito

It's the terminology and putting needless emotion into it. The PJ way is to not explain anything. We're used to that.

There's been somebody pretending to be Kat in YouTube comments for quite a while, warning people that their video is against the band's wishes and so on, this may even be the same person. Who knows/cares. Obvious troll is obvious, etc.

Birds in Hell wrote:There's been somebody pretending to be Kat in YouTube comments for quite a while, warning people that their video is against the band's wishes and so on, this may even be the same person. Who knows/cares. Obvious troll is obvious, etc.

Fair enough. Still morons.

Or is this part of the pre release hype building.

this band has the fanbase of a boy band

Could someone upload the 10/13/90 flacs or are they the same versions that appear on the 10/23/90 rehearsals?

I look through all of my stuff and only have this from 10/13:

Pearl Jam
"Eddie Vedder in Seattle 10/13/90"

Source: SBD > DAT > ANA (>3?) > WAV > CDR > EAC > WAV > FLAC


***** DO NOT ENCODE TO MP3! *****


01 Improv (early Yellow Ledbetter)
02 Quick Jams (Weird A - early Animal)
03 Goat

cutuphalfdead wrote:I downloaded MSG 98 and looked at the first track. 160kbs. Seriously.

Not trying to be a dick, and I realize your example was a show, but why does bit rate matter for a demo where the quality is already going to be subpar?

Fuck You Jobu wrote:

cutuphalfdead wrote:I downloaded MSG 98 and looked at the first track. 160kbs. Seriously.

Not trying to be a dick, and I realize your example was a show, but why does bit rate matter for a demo where the quality is already going to be subpar?

you can hear the subparness with more clarity

evenslow wrote:

Fuck You Jobu wrote:

cutuphalfdead wrote:I downloaded MSG 98 and looked at the first track. 160kbs. Seriously.

Not trying to be a dick, and I realize your example was a show, but why does bit rate matter for a demo where the quality is already going to be subpar?

you can hear the subparness with more clarity

Fuck You Jobu wrote:

cutuphalfdead wrote:I downloaded MSG 98 and looked at the first track. 160kbs. Seriously.

Not trying to be a dick, and I realize your example was a show, but why does bit rate matter for a demo where the quality is already going to be subpar?

Depends. Often you can sensibly improve the quality with EQ alone and this goes even for audience recordings from the 60's let alone demos. Also, at least to my ears, this already low quality recordings sound even harder to listen to when they're not lossles.

Mine wrote:

Fuck You Jobu wrote:

cutuphalfdead wrote:I downloaded MSG 98 and looked at the first track. 160kbs. Seriously.

Not trying to be a dick, and I realize your example was a show, but why does bit rate matter for a demo where the quality is already going to be subpar?

Depends. Often you can sensibly improve the quality with EQ alone and this goes even for audience recordings from the 60's let alone demos. Also, at least to my ears, this already low quality recordings sound even harder to listen to when they're not lossles.

Yes. Lossy files don't really affect the sound of professionally recorded music when played through the systems most people are using. The shitty sound of poorly recorded songs such as a demo or audience recorded song can sound a whole lot shittier when the file is lossy though, even on laptop speakers.

Here they are:
https://soundcloud.com/lucianogargiulo/ ... sions-1990

Hypnosomnia wrote:Here they are:
https://soundcloud.com/lucianogargiulo/ ... sions-1990

Thanks. Definitely not my favorite era, but this was a good listen..

LikeLukin wrote:

Mine wrote:

Fuck You Jobu wrote:

cutuphalfdead wrote:I downloaded MSG 98 and looked at the first track. 160kbs. Seriously.

Not trying to be a dick, and I realize your example was a show, but why does bit rate matter for a demo where the quality is already going to be subpar?

Depends. Often you can sensibly improve the quality with EQ alone and this goes even for audience recordings from the 60's let alone demos. Also, at least to my ears, this already low quality recordings sound even harder to listen to when they're not lossles.

Yes. Lossy files don't really affect the sound of professionally recorded music when played through the systems most people are using. The shitty sound of poorly recorded songs such as a demo or audience recorded song can sound a whole lot shittier when the file is lossy though, even on laptop speakers.

Yup. When the sound is subpar to begin with, the last thing you want to do is degrade it further.

cutuphalfdead wrote:

LikeLukin wrote:

Mine wrote:

Fuck You Jobu wrote:

cutuphalfdead wrote:I downloaded MSG 98 and looked at the first track. 160kbs. Seriously.

Not trying to be a dick, and I realize your example was a show, but why does bit rate matter for a demo where the quality is already going to be subpar?

Depends. Often you can sensibly improve the quality with EQ alone and this goes even for audience recordings from the 60's let alone demos. Also, at least to my ears, this already low quality recordings sound even harder to listen to when they're not lossles.

Yes. Lossy files don't really affect the sound of professionally recorded music when played through the systems most people are using. The shitty sound of poorly recorded songs such as a demo or audience recorded song can sound a whole lot shittier when the file is lossy though, even on laptop speakers.

Yup. When the sound is subpar to begin with, the last thing you want to do is degrade it further.

Bit off topic, but can you (and others) tell the difference between a flac and say 320 mp3?

Let's put it like this. I've always thought mp3's were sounding harsher compared to the same lossless track.

Fuck You Jobu wrote:

cutuphalfdead wrote:

LikeLukin wrote:

Mine wrote:

Fuck You Jobu wrote:

cutuphalfdead wrote:I downloaded MSG 98 and looked at the first track. 160kbs. Seriously.

Not trying to be a dick, and I realize your example was a show, but why does bit rate matter for a demo where the quality is already going to be subpar?

Depends. Often you can sensibly improve the quality with EQ alone and this goes even for audience recordings from the 60's let alone demos. Also, at least to my ears, this already low quality recordings sound even harder to listen to when they're not lossles.

Yes. Lossy files don't really affect the sound of professionally recorded music when played through the systems most people are using. The shitty sound of poorly recorded songs such as a demo or audience recorded song can sound a whole lot shittier when the file is lossy though, even on laptop speakers.

Yup. When the sound is subpar to begin with, the last thing you want to do is degrade it further.

Bit off topic, but can you (and others) tell the difference between a flac and say 320 mp3?

320 is tough and depends on other factors for me. I can go into more detail when I'm not posting from my phone.

Fuck You Jobu wrote:

cutuphalfdead wrote:

LikeLukin wrote:

Mine wrote:

Fuck You Jobu wrote:

cutuphalfdead wrote:I downloaded MSG 98 and looked at the first track. 160kbs. Seriously.

Not trying to be a dick, and I realize your example was a show, but why does bit rate matter for a demo where the quality is already going to be subpar?

Depends. Often you can sensibly improve the quality with EQ alone and this goes even for audience recordings from the 60's let alone demos. Also, at least to my ears, this already low quality recordings sound even harder to listen to when they're not lossles.

Yes. Lossy files don't really affect the sound of professionally recorded music when played through the systems most people are using. The shitty sound of poorly recorded songs such as a demo or audience recorded song can sound a whole lot shittier when the file is lossy though, even on laptop speakers.

Yup. When the sound is subpar to begin with, the last thing you want to do is degrade it further.

Bit off topic, but can you (and others) tell the difference between a flac and say 320 mp3?

Given a fair comparison, I think I'd be able to tell.

In any case, there is a measurable difference regardless of whether it's discernable to the ear in every circumstance. That's enough for me to not listen to lossy music.

Hypnosomnia wrote:Here they are:
https://soundcloud.com/lucianogargiulo/ ... sions-1990

Man ed sounds so young on Even flow. I really like what the guitars are doing in that version of black after the last chorus.

stupidmop wrote:

Hypnosomnia wrote:Here they are:
https://soundcloud.com/lucianogargiulo/ ... sions-1990

Man ed sounds so young on Even flow. I really like what the guitars are doing in that version of black after the last chorus.

I actually broke out my copy of this set earlier in the day for the first time in ages, so good to see this thread here.

I think I appreciate this set more now than I did when I first heard it a decade or so ago. It might sound kind of lame, but I think seeing PJ20 gave me a more definitive context to hear this early stuff. Not that I wasn't aware of the origins of the band . . . it's just that I listen to these early demos less critically, and just take it in and appreciate them on a simpler level.

It is amazing how well some of these songs were formed almost from the get-go: Alive, Breath, Black jump out in particular.

Welcome to the board