Red Mosquito

stip wrote:i assume its the sound in the arena, or perhaps just the balance where i was sitting - second floor, edge of stone’s section, but of the girl sounded a little unusual. a little rock blusier, less atmospheric. it took me a moment to realize what it was.

Probably a PJ thing. They are not as subtle as they used to be, they kind of come out swinging. It seemed a bit like that in St Louis last tour as well.

you may be right. pendulum felt the same way opening msg.

stip wrote:i assume its the sound in the arena, or perhaps just the balance where i was sitting - second floor, edge of stone’s section, but of the girl sounded a little unusual. a little rock blusier, less atmospheric. it took me a moment to realize what it was.

That one kinda lost the atmospheric vibe a long time ago and its way more blues and rock now

i actually kind of dug that bluesy version that we got at wrigley

I like it too

96583UP wrote:looks like two great setlists

philly crowd brings the energy once again

This is what I think the answer is. For all the beefy alcoholic forty-something white dudes in basketball jerseys, Philly fans really connect with the band like nowhere else. There is more trust between the band and the fans that together they can create greatness, where at MSG there is an expectation of greatness.

Bi_3 wrote:

96583UP wrote:looks like two great setlists

philly crowd brings the energy once again

For all the beefy alcoholic forty-something white dudes in basketball jerseys, Philly fans really connect with the band like nowhere else.

I can relate to this in my section in Philadelphia. Lots of rough South Philly dudes who did not like Eddies pledge to vote for women's rights. Instead, decided they needed to yell "VOTE RED" during his speech.

The Venn Diagram of PJ fans and Trump supporters is shocking. There's way more overlap than I'd expect for a band so outspoken and politically left. But that's what's great about art. It can transcend all that external stuff. Maybe it's that the crowds are all so much older, but this last show at MSG was uncomfortably rightwing. Lots of dudes getting all up in their feels about Ed's comments and one guy screaming LET'S GO TRUMP at the top of his lungs all the way down the several flights of stairs as fans exited MSG.

Very weird. I hadn't encountered that kind of thing at a PJ show before. Especially in NYC.

epilogue wrote:The Venn Diagram of PJ fans and Trump supporters is shocking. There's way more overlap than I'd expect for a band so outspoken and politically left. But that's what's great about art. It can transcend all that external stuff. Maybe it's that the crowds are all so much older, but this last show at MSG was uncomfortably rightwing. Lots of dudes getting all up in their feels about Ed's comments and one guy screaming LET'S GO TRUMP at the top of his lungs all the way down the several flights of stairs as fans exited MSG.

Very weird. I hadn't encountered that kind of thing at a PJ show before. Especially in NYC.

The world is broken and needs to be reset.

Bi_3 wrote:

96583UP wrote:looks like two great setlists

philly crowd brings the energy once again

This is what I think the answer is. For all the beefy alcoholic forty-something white dudes in basketball jerseys, Philly fans really connect with the band like nowhere else. There is more trust between the band and the fans that together they can create greatness, where at MSG there is an expectation of greatness.

those halloween shows were epic

the band knows they can open the kimono and be totally welcomed there

Strat wrote:

epilogue wrote:The Venn Diagram of PJ fans and Trump supporters is shocking. There's way more overlap than I'd expect for a band so outspoken and politically left. But that's what's great about art. It can transcend all that external stuff. Maybe it's that the crowds are all so much older, but this last show at MSG was uncomfortably rightwing. Lots of dudes getting all up in their feels about Ed's comments and one guy screaming LET'S GO TRUMP at the top of his lungs all the way down the several flights of stairs as fans exited MSG.

Very weird. I hadn't encountered that kind of thing at a PJ show before. Especially in NYC.

The world is broken and needs to be reset.

And Wayside will soundtrack the new version!

epilogue wrote:

Strat wrote:

epilogue wrote:The Venn Diagram of PJ fans and Trump supporters is shocking. There's way more overlap than I'd expect for a band so outspoken and politically left. But that's what's great about art. It can transcend all that external stuff. Maybe it's that the crowds are all so much older, but this last show at MSG was uncomfortably rightwing. Lots of dudes getting all up in their feels about Ed's comments and one guy screaming LET'S GO TRUMP at the top of his lungs all the way down the several flights of stairs as fans exited MSG.

Very weird. I hadn't encountered that kind of thing at a PJ show before. Especially in NYC.

The world is broken and needs to be reset.

And Wayside will soundtrack the new version!

Everyone wins!

96583UP wrote:

Bi_3 wrote:

96583UP wrote:looks like two great setlists

philly crowd brings the energy once again

This is what I think the answer is. For all the beefy alcoholic forty-something white dudes in basketball jerseys, Philly fans really connect with the band like nowhere else. There is more trust between the band and the fans that together they can create greatness, where at MSG there is an expectation of greatness.

those halloween shows were epic

the band knows they can open the kimono and be totally welcomed there

This is probably spot on. All because of the goddamn Live at the Garden DVD.

Strat wrote:

96583UP wrote:

Bi_3 wrote:

96583UP wrote:looks like two great setlists

philly crowd brings the energy once again

This is what I think the answer is. For all the beefy alcoholic forty-something white dudes in basketball jerseys, Philly fans really connect with the band like nowhere else. There is more trust between the band and the fans that together they can create greatness, where at MSG there is an expectation of greatness.

those halloween shows were epic

the band knows they can open the kimono and be totally welcomed there

This is probably spot on. All because of the goddamn Live at the Garden DVD.

I wouldn't necessarily say that, NYC is a very different market than Philly... especially MSG.

The MSG expectation I think stems from their second show there on 9/11/98. At the time, it seemed like possibly the best show they’d ever played. Taken with the mythology of the building, earned or not, it raised the expectation level. They also have now a relatively deep bench of great Garden shows.

That said, Philly does have many great shows as well, as does Boston. The band has treated the northeast US very well in its career.

yeah, i agree MSG 98 was treated like a true classic, specially because of Breathe i guess?

epilogue wrote:The Venn Diagram of PJ fans and Trump supporters is shocking. There's way more overlap than I'd expect for a band so outspoken and politically left. But that's what's great about art. It can transcend all that external stuff. Maybe it's that the crowds are all so much older, but this last show at MSG was uncomfortably rightwing. Lots of dudes getting all up in their feels about Ed's comments and one guy screaming LET'S GO TRUMP at the top of his lungs all the way down the several flights of stairs as fans exited MSG.

Very weird. I hadn't encountered that kind of thing at a PJ show before. Especially in NYC.

Vegas 2003
MGM arena.
ed made comments about Bush and the tax break for rich people. id never heard a crowd boo the band ever but not that fuckin much either. it was huge and unsettling.

theyve always been there. Only question is why?

ey i remember some dude trashing Tom Morello´s political views while watching Rage Against The Machine...so anything can happen really.

VinylGuy wrote:yeah, i agree MSG 98 was treated like a true classic, specially because of Breathe i guess?

It is a classic. Still a top 5 of the 60+ I’ve been to.

epilogue wrote:The Venn Diagram of PJ fans and Trump supporters is shocking. There's way more overlap than I'd expect for a band so outspoken and politically left. But that's what's great about art. It can transcend all that external stuff. Maybe it's that the crowds are all so much older, but this last show at MSG was uncomfortably rightwing. Lots of dudes getting all up in their feels about Ed's comments and one guy screaming LET'S GO TRUMP at the top of his lungs all the way down the several flights of stairs as fans exited MSG.

Very weird. I hadn't encountered that kind of thing at a PJ show before. Especially in NYC.

NYC shows get a lot of people buying tickets and not necessarily fans, again especially MSG.