Red Mosquito

Birds in Hell wrote:Lyrics, schmyrics!

Song rules.

This...so this

this might be my favorite song of theirs from the last 3 records

harmless wrote:I don't think it would've been an odd reference when the songs generally contained more idiosyncratic and strange references. Remember the literature Vitalogy and Yield was based on. This band used to be artier. I think it feels like a strange reference because he so rarely uses them now, so when he does, it feels like a jarring intrusion. If the rest of the lyrics are bland and obvious, a reference to Beethoven is going to feel pointless.

The only other lyrics i can remember referencing something obscure like that is pilate. And off the top of my head i cant even remember who pilate is lol.

stupidmop wrote:

harmless wrote:I don't think it would've been an odd reference when the songs generally contained more idiosyncratic and strange references. Remember the literature Vitalogy and Yield was based on. This band used to be artier. I think it feels like a strange reference because he so rarely uses them now, so when he does, it feels like a jarring intrusion. If the rest of the lyrics are bland and obvious, a reference to Beethoven is going to feel pointless.

The only other lyrics i can remember referencing something obscure like that is pilate. And off the top of my head i cant even remember who pilate is lol.

Pilate is the Roman official who sentences Jesus to death. Why he has a dog I've no idea, but the book would explain it. I think the book inspires several songs off the record, if I remember rightly, even if they're not directly referenced.

PJ were never as bad as Arcade Fire for artistic references but there were some in the middle period.

harmless wrote:I don't think it would've been an odd reference when the songs generally contained more idiosyncratic and strange references. Remember the literature Vitalogy and Yield was based on. This band used to be artier. I think it feels like a strange reference because he so rarely uses them now, so when he does, it feels like a jarring intrusion. If the rest of the lyrics are bland and obvious, a reference to Beethoven is going to feel pointless.

Nah, it's just not well done. I really like obscure references or analogies ("Sturm and the Drang / Luster and the sheen / My baby's leaving on the 2:19.")...this one, if indeed that's what it was intended to be, is still pretty bad.

Pilate is a great song, but a really weird way to express a connection to Master and Margarita. I always figured the end result was great because it keeps bouncing between an almost childlike style of self-reflection and bouncy flippancy.

harmless wrote:

stupidmop wrote:

harmless wrote:I don't think it would've been an odd reference when the songs generally contained more idiosyncratic and strange references. Remember the literature Vitalogy and Yield was based on. This band used to be artier. I think it feels like a strange reference because he so rarely uses them now, so when he does, it feels like a jarring intrusion. If the rest of the lyrics are bland and obvious, a reference to Beethoven is going to feel pointless.

The only other lyrics i can remember referencing something obscure like that is pilate. And off the top of my head i cant even remember who pilate is lol.

Pilate is the Roman official who sentences Jesus to death. Why he has a dog I've no idea, but the book would explain it. I think the book inspires several songs off the record, if I remember rightly, even if they're not directly referenced.

Oh i thought it was a different pilate for some reason. Lol.

I could never finish the master and margarita.

Pilate was the only song they referenced Master for. Ishmael was the other book, and that connection is even looser.

McParadigm wrote:

harmless wrote:I don't think it would've been an odd reference when the songs generally contained more idiosyncratic and strange references. Remember the literature Vitalogy and Yield was based on. This band used to be artier. I think it feels like a strange reference because he so rarely uses them now, so when he does, it feels like a jarring intrusion. If the rest of the lyrics are bland and obvious, a reference to Beethoven is going to feel pointless.

Nah, it's just not well done. I really like obscure references or analogies ("Sturm and the Drang / Luster and the sheen / My baby's leaving on the 2:19.")...this one, if indeed that's what it was intended to be, is still pretty bad.

Pilate is a great song, but a really weird way to express a connection to Master and Margarita. I always figured the end result was great because it keeps bouncing between an almost childlike style of self-reflection and bouncy flippancy.

Yeah, it's not great. I'm just saying that the comparatively bland and everyday colloquialism of the rest of the lyrics makes it worse. He's just not thinking too much about how he mixes those tones these days.

I've not read either book, by the way, so I have no idea what's referencing what, or why.

After a few more listenings this started growin in me, cool tune, and i like ed's vocal delivery

It's good.

Birds in Hell wrote:Lyrics, schmyrics!

Song rules.

I feel this way about most songs.

Why is this reminding me of Push Me, Pull Me in the verses? I guess it's just the spoken word aspect. I'd love to hear the vocals of PMPM laid over this more aggressive backdrop, in fact if I can get the necessary acapela and instrumental I may make my own mash up.

Love this one....awesome

CupidStunt wrote:Why is this reminding me of Push Me, Pull Me in the verses? I guess it's just the spoken word aspect. I'd love to hear the vocals of PMPM laid over this more aggressive backdrop, in fact if I can get the necessary acapela and instrumental I may make my own mash up.

The bass line reminded me of that song immediately.

One review led me to believe there was a spoken word intro to this song, a la Bushleaguer. I was looking forward to it Where do people come up with this stuff?

harmless wrote:One review led me to believe there was a spoken word intro to this song, a la Bushleaguer. I was looking forward to it Where do people come up with this stuff?

Same people who said the guitar on yellow moon sounded like nais, or that it sounded like bleeding muddy water, or thinking that infallible sounded like tremor christ at any point past the intro.

I also thought ed was gonna sound 'like stone' lol.

stupidmop wrote: Now Father you're dead and gone and I'm finally free to be me.
Thanks for all your fucked up gifts, for which I've got no sympathy.
I'm living in a war torn place in the bounds of fifth syphmony.
Thanks for this and thanks for that I gotta let go your legacy

I still really like the song, though.

The beginning of the bridge makes me cringe, but I dig the weird build up that follows.

stupidmop wrote:

harmless wrote:One review led me to believe there was a spoken word intro to this song, a la Bushleaguer. I was looking forward to it Where do people come up with this stuff?

Same people who said the guitar on yellow moon sounded like nais, or that it sounded like bleeding muddy water, or thinking that infallible sounded like tremor christ at any point past the intro.

I also thought ed was gonna sound 'like stone' lol.

Yeah, what was that about? When does Ed not sound like Ed? When does Ed sound like STONE?