Red Mosquito

LetMeSleep wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:Seriously, though. I'd love to see an album with 4 Jeff songs, 4 Stone songs, 2 Matt songs, 2 Mike tunes and 1 Ed tune. Even if Ed does all the lyrics, I'd be cool with a break-down like that.

Absolutely. But that won't happen as Ed loves his songs and he works hard on them. The others have to inspire him. Same argument blah blah blah.....

That's kinda like 'Yield', 4 Stone tunes (No Way, DTE, In Hiding, ATY), 3 Jeff tunes (pilate, lowlight, push me pull me), 3 Mike tunes (Brain of J, Faithfull, GTF), 2 Ed tunes (Wishlist, MFC)

bluestate wrote:For the record, I voted a 4... but the fact that I'm even invited to vote on whether or not the next record should define my PJ fanhood or my loyalty to this band after 22 years is really pretty fuckin' stupid and actually I'm kinda pissed at myself that I took the bait and voted when I should have just said "Fuck this shit! The next album doesn't DEFINE what this band has meant to me for 20 plus years!"


Btw, this opinion is not an attack on the OP who I actually have a lost of respect for and is one of my favorites on RM....

I understand your frustration at my mentioning of the next album at all, but it's really just in case anything changes for anyone after it comes out. I'm not expecting the next album to define anything, least of all 22 years of fandom. But it may stoke the fires a little regarding new PJ. Basically I think you've misinterpreted my intent.

joostone wrote:

LetMeSleep wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:Seriously, though. I'd love to see an album with 4 Jeff songs, 4 Stone songs, 2 Matt songs, 2 Mike tunes and 1 Ed tune. Even if Ed does all the lyrics, I'd be cool with a break-down like that.

Absolutely. But that won't happen as Ed loves his songs and he works hard on them. The others have to inspire him. Same argument blah blah blah.....

That's kinda like 'Yield', 4 Stone tunes (No Way, DTE, In Hiding, ATY), 3 Jeff tunes (pilate, lowlight, push me pull me), 3 Mike tunes (Brain of J, Faithfull, GTF), 2 Ed tunes (Wishlist, MFC)

On that one ed has the 2 weakest on the album, though they are still great songs

Lies. wishlist and MFC are better than pilate, faithful, and in hiding.

stupidmop wrote:Lies. wishlist and MFC are better than pilate, faithful, and in hiding.

I can see someone thinking they could be better then pilate, but faithful and in hiding surprise me

I don't mind faithful actually, but i'd just rather listen to the other two. In Hiding though gets a hearty meh.

Dr. Van Nostrand wrote:

stupidmop wrote:Lies. wishlist and MFC are better than pilate, faithful, and in hiding.

I can see someone thinking they could be better then pilate, but faithful and in hiding surprise me

Nothing surprises me about Pearl Jam fans, anymore.

durdencommatyler wrote:

Dr. Van Nostrand wrote:

stupidmop wrote:Lies. wishlist and MFC are better than pilate, faithful, and in hiding.

I can see someone thinking they could be better then pilate, but faithful and in hiding surprise me

Nothing surprises me about Pearl Jam fans, anymore.

It is pretty cool how all over the board their songs are received.

Dr. Van Nostrand wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

Dr. Van Nostrand wrote:

stupidmop wrote:Lies. wishlist and MFC are better than pilate, faithful, and in hiding.

I can see someone thinking they could be better then pilate, but faithful and in hiding surprise me

Nothing surprises me about Pearl Jam fans, anymore.

It is pretty cool how all over the board their songs are received.

I love that about the band. Such a deep catalog. They speak to so many different kinds of people in so many different ways. It's pretty fantastic.

harmless wrote:I understand your frustration at my mentioning of the next album at all, but it's really just in case anything changes for anyone after it comes out. I'm not expecting the next album to define anything, least of all 22 years of fandom. But it may stoke the fires a little regarding new PJ. Basically I think you've misinterpreted my intent.

Yea man, you're totally right. A little misinterpretation on my part. Sorry (I'm gonna go ahead and blame the booze on that... Labor Day weekend here in the states )

However, I still don't understand certain posters on here who seem to have this sense of entitlement that PJ owes them something special and in order to maintain their allegiance they need to deliver Riot Act II or something like that. That's pretty lame. I'd rather just see the band do whatever the hell they want because they certainly deserve that sense of freedom at this point. I'm not a huge fan of Backspacer but I'm certainly not offended by it in any way because the band sure sounds like they're having fun and enjoying the hell out of themselves and why shouldn't they?

Im guessing that Lightning Bolt will please a lot of fans, while at the same time "offending" many others... which I might consider equally impressive.

bluestate wrote:

harmless wrote:I understand your frustration at my mentioning of the next album at all, but it's really just in case anything changes for anyone after it comes out. I'm not expecting the next album to define anything, least of all 22 years of fandom. But it may stoke the fires a little regarding new PJ. Basically I think you've misinterpreted my intent.

Yea man, you're totally right. A little misinterpretation on my part. Sorry (I'm gonna go ahead and blame the booze on that... Labor Day weekend here in the states )

However, I still don't understand certain posters on here who seem to have this sense of entitlement that PJ owes them something special and in order to maintain their allegiance they need to deliver Riot Act II or something like that. That's pretty lame. I'd rather just see the band do whatever the hell they want because they certainly deserve that sense of freedom at this point. I'm not a huge fan of Backspacer but I'm certainly not offended by it in any way because the band sure sounds like they're having fun and enjoying the hell out of themselves and why shouldn't they?

Im guessing that Lightning Bolt will please a lot of fans, while at the same time "offending" many others... which I might consider equally impressive.

I agree. When I say I'd like a better album than the last two, what I like doesn't matter a jot, and whatever we get, I'll do my best to get on board with it. I think a little disappointment can be reasonably and fairly aired here, but with the caveat that I certainly don't feel entitled to anything.

For me, it's about whether I can get on board with PJ as they are now, and this album will be very revealing in that way. It will tell us whether the Backspacer 'era' was just that, or whether PJ feel they arrived at something they want to stick with.

The whole entitled thing is so silly. I'm pretty sure no one here ever said anything remotely close to that idea that they should be doing what we want from them (musically), or denying them the right to do the fuck they want to do. But of course when you don't like the direction a band is taking and you don't like the music they're currently making you're gonna say something like "blah give me X instead" or "I wish they would something else", that has nothing to do with this entitlement bullshit. No one is actually offended that the band does what they do (being offended by terrible music is a different topic).

harmless wrote:For me, it's about whether I can get on board with PJ as they are now, and this album will be very revealing in that way. It will tell us whether the Backspacer 'era' was just that, or whether PJ feel they arrived at something they want to stick with.

They always go at least a little bit different from album to album, so this one shouldn't be any different

Heathen wrote:The whole entitled thing is so silly. I'm pretty sure no one here ever said anything remotely close to that idea that they should be doing what we want from them (musically), or denying them the right to do the fuck they want to do. But of course when you don't like the direction a band is taking and you don't like the music they're currently making you're gonna say something like "blah give me X instead" or "I wish they would something else", that has nothing to do with this entitlement bullshit. No one is actually offended that the band does what they do (being offended by terrible music is a different topic).

I was with you until then. I am not so sure about the bold part

Heathen wrote:

verb_to_trust wrote:

LetMeSleep wrote:

durdencommatyler wrote:

LetMeSleep wrote:They are the only band/artist that I will buy a CD now regardless of liking it or not. I like to have a physical copy of a PJ release.

I have at least 2 copies of every album (just on CD, not counting vinyl) of every one of their albums except Backspacer. I only own 1 CD copy and 1 vinyl copy of that guy.

And I still haven't ordered the CD copy of LB, only the vinyl. Maybe I should put a little fixin' on that.

You're slipping. Next stop, v_t_t

How come posters like Chud and Heathen have essentially the same viewpoints on the band as me but i'm the gold standard?

People are nicer to you when you're handsome. Doesn't explain chud though.

Must be the DSL's

I want LB to be awesome just as much as the next person... the kind of album that repays our dedication and loyalty over the years... but even if it's the opposite, I have enough perspective to realize that PJ still has, at least, 15 years worth of great music under it's belt, which a million bands would kill to be able to say the same. Even a stinker of an album won't erase that.

bluestate wrote:I want LB to be awesome just as much as the next person... the kind of album that repays our dedication and loyalty over the years... but even if it's the opposite, I have enough perspective to realize that PJ still has, at least, 15 years worth of great music under it's belt, which a million would kill to be able to say the same. Even a stinker of an album won't erase that.

They've been the best band in the world for a long time, even if not now.

I want something heavy from PJ.
Our journey's been heavy-hard-tentative-raw-rocking-moody-sad-trying-shiny-... time to go heavy again.

Lounge Lizard wrote:I want something heavy from PJ.
Our journey's been heavy-hard-tentative-raw-rocking-moody-sad-trying-shiny-... time to go heavy again.

MYM heavy?